Off Campus & The Crash

Imagine a straight version of Heated Rivalry. Or a rated R version of The Summer I Turned Pretty. Well, that's basically Amazon's new steamy college hockey show, Off Campus. Are you watching? What do you think?

Meanwhile, on Netflix, The Crash is taking the internet by storm. The controversial documentary really left us with MORE questions than answers.

Sip On This explored millennial friendships and how eating food should be made cool again.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:04

Welcome, welcome, welcome to another episode of Little Coffee Chats with Zach and Kaylee. My name is Zach Mann.

SPEAKER_01 0:10

And my name is Kaylee Mann.

SPEAKER_00 0:12

And uh we are so excited to be here with you today. Hopefully, this episode will have video.

SPEAKER_01 0:17

Ah! Yay!

SPEAKER_00 0:19

Um, you guys, last week was our 50th episode, and I totally messed that up. 50th? 50th. You're joking. I am not joking. 50. 50? 5-0.

SPEAKER_01 0:29

I thought maybe like 30, but 50 is.

SPEAKER_00 0:31

No, we've done 50.

SPEAKER_01 0:32

Kind of crazy.

SPEAKER_00 0:33

Isn't that crazy?

SPEAKER_01 0:34

That is. I guess we've had it's been a year, you know, so that makes sense. It's 52 weeks in a year. We've missed a couple weeks.

SPEAKER_00 0:43

And we've done some of the Vanderpump ones. Oh, that's true too. Yeah, 50 total episodes. Hell yeah. Today is 51, or this week is 51. Uh, and again, hopefully it'll be on video on Apple. So if not, we're always on video on YouTube. We're on YouTube. I know, but I was really I actually even had to message uh BuzzSprout, yeah. And said, hey, am I doing something wrong? Because it's kind of confusing.

SPEAKER_01 1:07

Well, it's brand new. You just don't know if something's working correctly yet.

SPEAKER_00 1:10

So tokens, claiming stuff, complicated, yeah. Tokens? Yeah, because you have to like claim your show with Buzz Sprout. So when Buzz Sprout sends your episode out into the world, Apple knows that it I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:24

Whatever. No one needs to worry about this aside from Zach.

SPEAKER_00 1:27

And I don't, and trust me, I'm barely worried about it because I don't know how it works. Um, but no, it's so great to be here. Don't forget to like and subscribe and share. You guys, I watch now so many videos on YouTube. I've become a big YouTube fan and I watch a lot of, I guess they'd be podcasts, but on YouTube. So while I'm working out, I just watch like Seahawks podcasts.

SPEAKER_01 1:45

This is growth because you used to, I mean, even like six months ago, not really get YouTube. Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:51

But now I get it.

SPEAKER_01 1:52

What's what do you think has clicked for you?

SPEAKER_00 1:54

Use case. It's the use case is um if I'm exercising, in particular, if I'm doing like floor exercises, because I had I hurt my back really bad, and so I had to do a lot of work that like didn't allow you to watch the screen. Right. So let's say you're watching a new show you've never seen before. You can't really do that.

SPEAKER_01 2:12

Yeah, you don't want to miss anything. Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:14

So then I did shows like Entourage, which was awesome to watch through. Um, and I did another show that I had seen. Oh, um, Silicon Valley, which I loved. Uh, but then after that, I was like, okay, started getting the Sea Ox season, and now all of a sudden I'm watching podcasts, like sports podcasts.

SPEAKER_01 2:30

So and you love it. I love it. He loves YouTube now, so yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:34

Well, I get it. I do I do finally get it, to be totally fair. I get it.

SPEAKER_01 2:39

So have you ever watched just shark videos or whale videos on? No, not yet.

SPEAKER_00 2:44

But uh one one day I did come home. Uh I'm trying to remember what it was that we were watching before it.

SPEAKER_01 2:51

I was gone.

SPEAKER_00 2:52

Kaylee was gone. Oh my god, yes, Kaylee was gone, you guys, and I had been watching a podcast about sports because she was gone, because it was about to be the draft or something was gonna happen. And all of a sudden, I come downstairs and I hear the sound of crackling fire. And I'm like, what the hell is that? And I realized, oh my god, and I get close enough to the TV, turn around, look at it, and it's a fire place scene for people. It's like a five-hour runtime of a like calm, tranquil, so soothing.

SPEAKER_01 3:26

Yeah, I like to put them on when I'm reading at night.

SPEAKER_00 3:29

Yeah. So I go, I was like, oh, this is for Kaylee.

SPEAKER_01 3:32

It's like I was there, it's like you were there.

SPEAKER_00 3:34

It actually was soothing, and they're even yeah, I get it. I can't believe I'm I'm admitting this, but now I'm also a TikTok person.

SPEAKER_01 3:43

You're actually very addicted to TikTok now.

SPEAKER_00 3:46

Can't believe it.

SPEAKER_01 3:47

I can't believe it either. I have I've really put you on to a lot. You've adopted a lot of my things.

SPEAKER_00 3:54

You really have. But anyway, so we're here. It's our 51st episode. Congratulations to you, Kaylee. I love you.

SPEAKER_01 4:00

Oh my god, congratulations to you. And I also just had my 51st uh solid core class. So that's right.

SPEAKER_00 4:05

Wait, tell us about your 50th workout and what they did for you. That was so cool.

SPEAKER_01 4:09

Oh, okay. So I walked in and there was a sign out front that said, like, congratulations, Kaylee, on 50 classes. And then I went into class. I didn't get any special call-outs during class, and I'll tell you why. Okay. So after I was just like getting my stuff together and the instructor was talking to the front desk girl, and she was like, Wait, so this sign says like 50 classes, but was this person in this last class or is she in the next class or whatever? And her roster for the class was like one class behind, so the names were all wrong, and it didn't have any of like the like there was someone in my class today who was her 25th class, and they got like a shout out. And I and so I overheard it. I said, the sign was for me. I'd had 50 classes, and then the front desk girl was like, Oh my god, did you get your picture? And I was like, Oh, I got a picture of the sign, and she's like, No, do you get like your Polaroid? I was like, Right, what are you talking about? I was like, I don't need it. She's like, Are you sure it's like a whole thing? I was like, Okay, fine.

SPEAKER_00 5:05

And that picture is so great. You're wearing your Brooks Nader glasses.

SPEAKER_01 5:09

Yeah, I wear my huge shield sunglasses.

SPEAKER_00 5:11

What's the brand of those again?

SPEAKER_01 5:13

Uh, they're Jimmy Fairley, which actually like every single pair of glasses in there is the same price. It's like $148 for a pair of glasses that are made in France. Great deal. It's actually such a great deal. I had no idea. They package it so cute. They had like little flowers in the bag for us. It was adorable. Anyway, I had those on. I had my hair like flop to the side. And listen, I can take a Polaroid picture in front of a solid core sign. No problem.

SPEAKER_02 5:40

Any day of the week.

SPEAKER_01 5:41

Holding my 50 classes sign.

SPEAKER_02 5:43

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 5:44

But it was great. It was wonderful. And and the biggest thing is like once you hit 50 classes, all of your springs change. So it's weird to think, it's crazy to me to think that I have gone from like very beginner to what the base level is. And now I'm in like the advanced level of springs and weights. And sometimes that means no springs at all. So it's just you. And then sometimes it means like the heaviest version of the springs.

SPEAKER_00 6:11

So in a class for that particular workout, you can be a beginner in the same class as what you're in. It's just that the machine has a various degree of advancement. Not that you're not going to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_01 6:21

Yeah, it's just like you and I could go to the gym and use the same leg press machine, but maybe I have it on 80 pounds and you have it on 200 pounds. It's the same thing.

SPEAKER_00 6:30

Okay. Okay. So it's not like it's not like a yoga code.

SPEAKER_01 6:32

It's not a different move. No, I'm not doing like headstands or something.

SPEAKER_00 6:35

Right, right.

SPEAKER_01 6:37

Me in a yoga class for the headstand portion, I go, okay, I'm just gonna try to do this.

SPEAKER_00 6:42

I don't think you're too long your headstands. Headstands is for like the five foot yoga people.

SPEAKER_01 6:46

There are a lot of things that I am just too long for. Thank you. Yeah. Tumbling headstands, not for me. Yeah, not for you. No. But yeah, it feels great to be in the 50 plus now.

SPEAKER_00 6:58

Well, congrats. Well, also, you know, last week we talked about, you know, we had a big gap between the episodes. So it was so fun to get back on the on the mic, which is why I think we forgot about 50, to be fair.

SPEAKER_02 7:08

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:09

But we talked about a lot of things, including like millennial stuff, and like a lot of people were loving the the post about, you know, us being very pro-millennial, including you know, you being very pro-millennial. And I have to say that TikTok agreed. And TikTok isn't really, I mean, I know millennials are on there, but obviously we know it's dominated by a younger demo, uh, for sure, as like their source of social media. What do you make of that? That like our post like really found a market for that.

SPEAKER_01 7:38

I don't know if it's true that younger people make up the majority of who's on TikTok anymore. I think maybe at first.

SPEAKER_02 7:45

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 7:45

But I guarantee it's probably mostly millennials now. Yeah. Cause like we've gone, we did Facebook, I mean, we're not on Facebook anymore. Instagram.

SPEAKER_00 7:54

Slow down.

SPEAKER_01 7:54

No, I know, but I'm just talking about like the ones that kids could be on now. Like, yeah, you know, Facebook, we're like done with that. Yeah. Instagram is like still, I'm not posting reels. That feels cringe to me. I want to do that.

SPEAKER_00 8:06

Gen Y even has a Facebook account. I can't imagine it, right?

SPEAKER_01 8:11

I don't know why they would need to unless they're running social media for something and they have to have an account, which by the way, that should not, that should be you should be able to set that up differently because it is so frustrating to have everything connected to an old email address. It's like, oh my God, let me just set up a separate account. Anyway, any my long point is I think it's mostly millennials on TikTok. And if not, the great thing about TikTok is that you do find the right audience for you. Yeah. It's like we've had videos where the beehive has found us, even though that's like we don't we haven't built an audience of just beehive members. Although hi.

SPEAKER_02 8:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:51

Um, I think you just find the right audience. And the interesting about this video is that people of all sorts of beliefs and backgrounds have come together to defend the millennials. Defend that millennials are the most fun generation. I did not say the best.

SPEAKER_00 9:08

I said the most fun. I think best is is not, it's too bad.

SPEAKER_01 9:11

The best is weird. I mean the best is weird.

SPEAKER_00 9:12

What does best even?

SPEAKER_01 9:13

How do you define that? Yeah. Most fun. We define that.

SPEAKER_00 9:18

So we know. I agree. I think that we've had to make light of more for being a generation that did not have to go to war. Let's just be very clear here. Yeah. Okay. We were very lucky with regard to like a draft. Our generation, the millennial generation, we've had lots of pretty once in a generation things happen in our very short span. Okay. We had recessions.

SPEAKER_01 9:46

We had like where do you where do you even start Columbine?

SPEAKER_00 9:49

Columbine.

SPEAKER_01 9:50

9-11, recession.

SPEAKER_00 9:52

Obviously, COVID.

SPEAKER_01 9:54

COVID. Presidents.

SPEAKER_00 9:59

Yeah. Well, yeah, we had we literally had a group of people try to stop an election by ransacking the Capitol. Uh so yeah, I I would say that we are very uniquely um uh positioned and we have the ability to see all of it too.

SPEAKER_01 10:19

Like we're more connected to it than maybe any other generation has been to what is going on on the world stage. Right, more news. We just have access to everything. Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_00 10:29

Oh, I didn't even say that I was too young for this, but to vote in it. But we had the hanging chats, we had the Florida election with that. So we've just it's just been a lot for us, and we've kind of gotten through all of it with just trying to smile and listen to our playlists. Like we've just kind of like pushed through.

SPEAKER_01 10:46

In a certain way, I think there's only so much you can do. So after you've done what you can actually do, you have to kind of put the blinders on and protect yourself and like focus on the life that is right in front of you, the people right in front of you, the dog that's at your feet, you know, that's the best thing about life. So that's all you can do. And I think maybe we are the best at at doing that and focusing on that.

SPEAKER_00 11:12

I agree. Okay. Um, well, let's talk about something really fun. Uh we talk about a lot of things on this show. Okay. But I think this new let's let's not do the crash yet. Okay. Let's talk about this new TV show on Amazon. Kaylee, how did you hear about it?

SPEAKER_01 11:31

And uh, there's a new show on Amazon Prime called Off Campus. It's based on a book series. Okay. It's like a romantic hockey book series.

SPEAKER_00 11:44

How many books are in it? Do you know?

SPEAKER_01 11:46

I don't know. I know there are three main ones. There could be more that's like a slightly like it's in the same world, I think, but I don't I haven't fact-checked this.

SPEAKER_00 11:55

It's in the off-campus universe.

SPEAKER_01 11:56

Maybe. So anyway, we know there are three for sure. Okay. And huh, let me tell you, I am loving it. I've only watched the first two episodes, but the it takes place, these kids are in college. So I feel like that's a better. I saw this, I saw this post on like threads where it's like, why is anyone older than like 25 watching this show? What do you seriously, what do you get from this? It's like, oh, oh, sorry that I once was a college student and it's like fun to think about being in college, or like it's you can all you like you can't watch dating shows if you're married, kind of like that. You know, it's like, wait, that's actually most people.

SPEAKER_00 12:39

So also most people under 25 don't have an Amazon account.

SPEAKER_01 12:42

So I'm like, it's so fun. I'll tell you why I'm watching it. It's fun and flirty and gives you the little like butterflies like kicking your feet. Like last time I'm watching, I'm going, it's so fun. Why? Well, on the scale of the summer I turned pretty to heated rivalry. Okay, it's right in the middle where there's like sweet, fun playfulness, but it is a a bit sexier and spicier than the summer I turned pretty.

SPEAKER_00 13:11

Which well, I'll say a lot more.

SPEAKER_01 13:13

I prefer sexy and spicy. Yeah, a lot more. But it's not as intense as heated rivalry, at least not yet. Not yet. Maybe we'll get there. I don't know. But I've seen I've seen a bot, I've seen boobs, I've seen lots of male torsos. Yeah. And I'm happy about it.

SPEAKER_00 13:31

Yeah, I don't will we see a penis. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 13:34

I don't think we'll see a penis.

SPEAKER_00 13:35

I don't think so either. No, I don't think so either. But uh, but it's also fun. I was gonna say another thing about the show is that there's a music element to it, which is kind of like are these shows being made.

SPEAKER_01 13:47

Come on. It's it takes place in college. She's like uh she's a music major. She has to, in order to save her place in school and her scholarship, she has to now win this pop right songwriting competition.

SPEAKER_00 14:01

Because they dropped her classical music scholarship is like no longer being offered, which is how rude.

SPEAKER_01 14:07

How rude. Whatever that however that works is fine.

SPEAKER_00 14:10

I wouldn't know that's actually in the news right now. There's a symphony at a school that's going to be playing a piece of music that has to do with the Stonewall, uh, LGBTQ. Um uh you know what? I don't even know what it's either a piece of music that was written for Stonewall or it was someone that was in the community that wrote it, whatever it is, there was something and the school board shut it down. So you can't play it. You can't play it. Why? I don't know. It's a symphony, they can't play it. So the whole school basically is protesting. The whole school is protesting, including the football players. Good. They're joining the takes.

SPEAKER_01 14:44

That's what it takes.

SPEAKER_00 14:45

Because they're saying we work our ass off to play football. Imagine if all of a sudden we couldn't play in the game and these kids are working their tails off too, and all of a sudden they're being told they can't play a piece of music. Screw that.

SPEAKER_01 14:55

Okay, well, I hate that. But anyway, I really hate that. Anyway, the setup is nerdy girl who has huge boobs, by the way, and is gorgeous. Nerdy girl trying to like stay in school and keep her cut her scholarship, wants to get the attention of this hot lead singer of a band and hot hockey player who needs to have good grades in order to stay on the team, needs a tutor. So she's helping him with school while he helps her get the attention of this guy by flirting and fake dating. A fake dating premise is always interesting.

SPEAKER_00 15:43

It's like a she's all that.

SPEAKER_01 15:44

It's she's all that in a way. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:46

But I don't think they're trying to hide that she's attractive. I'm sorry. Like she's not.

SPEAKER_01 15:50

Oh, but she's definitely a person who doesn't like realize how attractive is a lot of people.

SPEAKER_00 15:55

But no one ever goes, oh her, she's such a weirdo.

SPEAKER_01 15:58

Like, and she's a black when they say that kind of that girl. Like, okay, what? I'm like, oh, this girl with a slam and body and a gorgeous face and beautiful shiny hair. Like, okay.

SPEAKER_00 16:12

Uh, but it's a I would say it's fun to watch. Uh it's like to me, I think that's a great comp is the The Summer I Turn Pretty, but I almost feel like it's a bit like uh Emily in Paris. A bit more racy or Emily. It's shot like it.

SPEAKER_01 16:25

So it looks like no, it is not. It is not shot like Emily in Paris. Well, it's definitely not shot like the summer I turned pretty. I don't think it's as well shot as the as Emily in Paris.

SPEAKER_00 16:34

Like the budget is not as it's not as big, but it looks very similar to me. I would like when I was watching it last night, I was like, God, I wish this was more like Friday night lights, like handheld and all that.

SPEAKER_01 16:43

But that would be sick. I would love that. That's just the wrong tone.

SPEAKER_00 16:47

About then that's like euphoria lights. Like season one.

SPEAKER_01 16:51

Yeah. Anyway, I'm really loving it. I can't, I'm gonna watch all of it. I think there's already gonna be a season two. So that's on Amazon Prime. Amazon Prime. And what's it called again? Off campus.

SPEAKER_00 17:02

Great.

unknown 17:03

Hot.

SPEAKER_00 17:04

What would you give it on a scale of uh Connor Stories? Connor Stories abs out of five.

SPEAKER_01 17:11

You know what? It's a house of hockey boys. It is who are they all assume, I think, straight. So for this audience, really into it.

SPEAKER_00 17:23

I think my mom will like it.

SPEAKER_01 17:25

She has a really she's a soft spot for the boys from Heated Rivalry. So I don't know if anything can really beat that for her. I think it's I think when you have something like that, it's really hard to duplicate. Yeah, it's more well, I don't know. I don't know. We'll see. Okay. We'll see.

SPEAKER_00 17:43

We'll report back to you guys on if Joy is interested in also like the lead love interest is like a guy with dark curly hair.

SPEAKER_01 17:51

So I'm like, obviously, that's my types.

SPEAKER_00 17:55

Clean shaven though.

SPEAKER_01 17:57

Yeah, which it's not me. I'm glad you're not, but all right, so impossible.

SPEAKER_00 18:03

So yeah, I I have hair. Uh okay, so another thing that we watched that was absolutely fascinating, albeit also not much of a plot twist, uh, was the crash. And that's on Netflix, right? Yes. And that is about a uh young girl, Mackenzie Sherilla, in Ohio, who uh gets into a car accident with uh her boyfriend. Dominic Russo. Yeah, and her boyfriend's like best friend, Davy on Flanagan. They they she uh unfortunately the two boys die and she is severely injured and she survived the wreck. And what happens in this documentary is trying to see if maybe the accident was not an accident, but that it was actually uh on purpose. So Kaylee, what was your what'd you what'd you think about it when you were watching it? How did it make you feel?

SPEAKER_01 18:56

As I was watching it, I I didn't know anything about the case. So I know there's a whole subset of people who are either local to the area, which it's in the Cleveland area, like surrounding Cleveland, who know a lot about it, and people who listen to like true crime kind of podcasts know a ton about it. I had never heard anything about it, so I went into it completely. Like, I don't know how this what their end result is. I don't know what goes on. So immediately my thought was, well, they're trying to mischaracterize this girl. Like this seems so they're trying to paint her as like a druggy, pothead, wild child, bad girl. Right. And meanwhile, she's 17 when this happens. Right. And it focuses a lot on her and her social media, and how what's on her social media is proof of what her actual character is.

SPEAKER_02 19:57

Right.

SPEAKER_01 19:57

Which I find to be such an ass backwards way of going about anything, because I don't think social media is a true depiction of anyone, mostly because like you're not capturing like anything I share is not my whole entire life. I am pretty much me on online because it's my fear that someone would like meet me in person and be like, oh my God, you're nothing like how you were on your blog or on it or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 20:24

But can I interject for one second? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Go ahead. It's almost like saying, Hey, you're in a movie where you play a um a bad person. That's who you are in real life.

SPEAKER_01 20:33

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 20:33

Like, well, your social media is kind of like a movie, especially for kids these days.

SPEAKER_01 20:37

Well, I'm like, she's sh how young was she when she started posting? 13, 14? Like if I posted stuff when I was 13 or 14, it would be number one, so embarrassing. But also like oh, a lot of Kanye. Like, yeah, it would be like a ton of like horrible rap lyrics that I thought was like hilarious, you know. I mean, I still like to use the word ho lovingly and affectionately and with humor. So I I don't whatever. So I already felt like we're seeing it through the voice of the prosecutor, and like it's just already just painting such a like a negative picture of what I believe to be just like a young girl being a young girl. She reminds me of someone who would be like Maddie on euphoria or something, like using the same language, styling themselves the same way.

SPEAKER_00 21:26

Right.

SPEAKER_01 21:27

In a relationship with this guy, Dom, who when they first get together, she's 13 and he's 16, I believe. Yeah. Which okay. And then like they move in together when she's still underage. Yeah. I have a lot of thoughts about that. None of that has a lot to do with the case itself, more like the parenting aspect and what I would allow my own child to do and whatever. But it seems like the they both sets of families were treating this couple. Like very seriously, like in a very adult way, which is shocking to me because they're children.

SPEAKER_00 22:07

100%.

SPEAKER_01 22:08

So anyway, the accident happens, and she's 17 when it happens. Dom is 20. Davion, I think, isn't it and she gets tried as an adult. Which already is. Which I'm already like, well, how did we get there?

SPEAKER_00 22:26

Yeah, what's the point of having a difference between adults and children if you're gonna try people as adults before they're adults? Right. Like that's like a crazy thing to me.

SPEAKER_01 22:35

So I'm watching this and I'm like, God, they are just really like painting this girl out to be so horrible. And I think she's just like kind of young and yeah, they're in a toxic like high school relationship, on again, off again, saying crazy shit. Like I I've would never be like that, but I a lot of people are and they and they like that about the relationship. I don't know. And I I don't know. I'm just thinking that it's really an accident. And by the time you get to the end, you find out that she is serving two concurrent life sentences and will be 33 years old when she's eligible for parole in 2037. Yeah. The only evidence they have is foot uh camera footage of her turning the corner and just like speeding straight ahead and whatever the black box for like a black box that the car is.

SPEAKER_00 23:29

Yeah, which I don't even know much about how that works.

SPEAKER_01 23:31

But they don't really explain a lot. We're going off just the documentary. Right. We have not really done any research beyond that.

SPEAKER_02 23:37

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 23:37

They didn't really explain that well, but there's some proof that there it went like into neutral briefly. Someone tried to pull the steering wheel at one point, and then it went back to drive. Or so I I don't know the order of events.

SPEAKER_00 23:51

By the way, this girl's like 75 pounds. Literally So, like if you're thinking that like, you know, she could overpower her boyfriend if he was trying to like shift the car into like a park or the ex-football player in the backseat. It doesn't really make sense. It doesn't make sense. Uh but I think what interests me the most isn't whether or not she's um guilty really.

SPEAKER_01 24:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:16

Okay. It's really just about like what they were able to convict her of. They were able to convict her, spoiler alert, of basically premeditated murder, that she had planned this. This wasn't just like a random occasion where she just drove these guys home from a 5 a.m. party. She was planning to do this murder. And that just seems crazy to me. And that's where I start worrying about our criminal justice system. Yeah, what did it what happened that was the most crazy is that she decided not to have a jury trial. She wanted a judge trial where there's no jury. It's just the judge gets to decide. And this judge was honestly a bitch. She was nasty. And she did not probably approve of the drinking, the smoking, of the psilocybin, of any of that lifestyle stuff, probably hated all the Instagram stuff. Oh, yeah. And basically was given one woman who ugh decided the fate of this girl is crazy to me. I would never have let that. Because of course she's gonna be on the side of the police officers and of the prosecution. Like that was a crazy. I think she had horrible representations.

SPEAKER_01 25:23

Oh my god. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 25:24

And she had she tried to say that she was she had an emergency, a medical she doesn't remember anything. That's what is basically her defense. Yeah. But all I'm saying is I don't know what happened. And if someone assumes that they do, they're lying to you. I'm sorry. You are a liar. And not to mention that premeditated murder, if that was the real thing, and she should have tried to get a plea bargain. She should have got a jury trial by her own peers. All of this was just so bad that, like, I do feel bad for her. Even if she's an awful young woman who I would never have wanted my friends to be with, right?

SPEAKER_01 26:00

I don't think that is a fair I'm I was really completely shocked that she was accused of murder. Not manslaughter, murder.

SPEAKER_00 26:11

Not even like second-degree murder, but like premeditated.

SPEAKER_01 26:14

There isn't actually hard evidence in that is like she had written it somewhere or had expressed like said it to someone. She was suicidal. It makes me feel like I'm crazy because I've since seen I've looked at Reddit threads, I've seen the commentary online, I've seen the reviews on Letterboxd, which is usually my favorite thing to do after I watch something is go to Letterbox and be like, oh, okay. These people also think that was insane. Right. But everyone is like, she's awful, she's pure evil, her parents are terrible. Like this is, I rarely blame the parents, but like they're awful and weren't helping her at all, and blah, blah, blah. I I was just kind of like shocked. I was shocked too.

SPEAKER_00 27:05

I just, again, it's really about just is that justice that this girl was being tried just as much as somebody who brandished a gun into a church and opened fire on people to kill them. Like that's what you're saying. That this person literally made a plan to murder people, innocent people.

SPEAKER_01 27:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:22

I just don't believe that. That's not that has not been proven.

SPEAKER_01 27:25

I just I I said this to you before, and I can't help but think, I know it's not the same at all. Yeah. But I can't help but think about how hard it is to convict a man of raping a woman. Yeah. And I'm sorry to bring that up, but like most women don't come forward with things that happen to them because it's just so hard to prove and to come up with concrete evidence. And this girl who's 17, who was 17 years old at the time, is in jail forever for being a murderer. For like what is a vehicular accident? It does, I mean, yeah, it looks insane when you see the video of her just like speeding right ahead. But I'm like, something went weird in that car. I don't know. There was no malfunction with the car, but I mean, like, whatever was happening, something really bizarre happened.

SPEAKER_00 28:15

Yeah, and they even had they made a point early on that the detective was like, and the car split right where he was sitting. And she, I'm like, wait, you're saying that at a hundred miles an hour, with no attempt to break or steer, she was able to think about that she would survive this wreck? Come on. No way, like even no way. Just even with that, it's like, okay, she tried to kill herself. Like, just be like, just admit that. Like a murder suicide or something. Yeah, but to be like she was trying to survive this. I mean, it's just what I hate these cops, that they just make up these insane stories and they're able to get away with it, even though it's not close to the guaranteed it's not close to the truth at all. And that the black box of this car, things that we don't even know exist, get to be used as like fact. Like, who even knows these things? Like, that's really real. After a wreck that bad, you can trust that. Oh, yeah, it shifted in that really. Do you know that for sure? Yeah, how how plane crashes rarely the black box tells you everything you know, but no, in this accident, you're gonna be able to like come up with that she, you know, purposely murdered these guys. I don't, it's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 29:17

It feels like such a jump in logic. I just think it's really bizarre. And also like Dom's family in the documentary, they're like, they're really on on board with with uh Mackenzie for most of it, and then they hear this thing about the black box, and then all of a sudden they're like, Well, they're right, obviously that's it. Like, she was that means she tried to murder them, right? That's it.

SPEAKER_00 29:40

And now I hope she like dies in prison basically. And I'm like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 29:45

I don't know. I really and also like, yeah, there's also there's no good way of explaining any of what happened, but it's just seems like a horrible tragedy.

SPEAKER_00 29:55

Well, my my way was that she just fell asleep at the wheel. Yeah, and they all fell asleep, like they all were asleep. Like everyone was asleep.

SPEAKER_01 30:01

Yeah, yeah. Maybe I don't know. We'll never know. And um Davion's dad at the end is like, I'm glad that like the justice system, you know, did what it needs to do, but I he'll never feel like rest until she admits it. Mackenzie admits it and says exactly what she was thinking at the time. And I'm like, I don't know if I don't think that's ever gonna happen, dude. I'm so sorry. But like, and even if she did, let's just say she it was premeditated and she says exactly what she was thinking, I don't think that's going to, it's never gonna be enough.

SPEAKER_00 30:37

It's a it's never gonna be enough. It's horrible. It's a tragedy, but there is never justice in any of these scenarios, and in this case, it feels like an overreach by the state. That's kind of what I'm getting at.

SPEAKER_01 30:50

Yeah, don't get in trouble in Somersville. Wherever it was.

SPEAKER_00 30:54

Jeez. So look, again, she smokes weed unabashedly, she does mushrooms unabashedly, she had cash on her. They don't like her, but they think she's troubled. So, but they don't care. They're gonna throw the book at her. That's the thing that sucks too, is like that's just not how justice should work. You know, uh, we see it all the time on these shows too, where it's just like, oh, you're poor. It doesn't matter what you know ethnicity you're you're poor, we're gonna try to get you for whatever crime we can to make it a murderer, you know? Like, oh, just Brendan Dassey is still in prison. We know we didn't do anything. You know, like that's the kind of shit that we're dealing with. So I just don't trust these police very often.

SPEAKER_01 31:34

That's really upsetting.

SPEAKER_00 31:35

Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:38

Really just a horrible, horrible thing for everyone involved.

SPEAKER_00 31:43

Yeah, the boys seem so sweet too. It's just awful. I know. It's awful. Okay. Do we have a do we have a third topic?

SPEAKER_01 31:51

I don't think so. I I've really just been taken by the crash and off campus.

SPEAKER_00 31:57

I ain't even reading your books.

SPEAKER_01 31:59

Yeah, I've been reading like a maniac.

SPEAKER_00 32:01

All right, so I have to have a question for you.

SPEAKER_01 32:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 32:05

And uh Do you have one? I don't know if I do.

SPEAKER_01 32:07

Let's see what you come up with on the spot.

SPEAKER_00 32:09

I don't have one like prepared per se.

SPEAKER_01 32:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 32:13

Um let's see here. Okay. So what would it take for you to go on a cruise ship?

SPEAKER_01 32:28

I'm never going on a cruise.

SPEAKER_00 32:31

Why?

SPEAKER_01 32:33

I have never wanted to go on a cruise. Number one, they seem absolutely disgusting and ripe for illness. Number two, I don't want to be trapped on one boat with the same people for days on end. Yeah. And apparently the days on end could be days on end. It's nothing against anyone. I just, I'm too much of a Scorpio for that. I need to have like freedom and anonymity. Like, I don't want to be like, morning, everyone. And it's oh God, I'm like, oh, it's that person again. And I have to like fake it through breakfast or something. Like, I just if I'm on vacation, I don't want to have to really worry about that. Number three, I don't really want to be on a boat in the ocean. I want to be able to like step outside and like take a walk. Like we are moving on our vacations. It's just not appealing to me. The destinations are interesting to me. So I am happy to meet people out there at wherever they stop. I have no interest in being on the boat. The only version of a cruise I would do is a private super yacht. That's it. How do you feel about that?

SPEAKER_00 33:44

No, I think you're right. And then look, some people love it.

SPEAKER_01 33:47

So also four. Yeah, I don't like when you can feel like everything is from the same food supplier. Right. I'd be uh it's like, well, I'm traveling to eat and drink and try things. I don't want it to feel like it all came from Cisco or something. Yeah, the same frozen delivery.

SPEAKER_00 34:03

I I agree. I think I'm getting more and more into the no cruise zone too, um, but like a fancier boat. But even the fancy boats I've been watching reviews of and they're not doing great. The four seasons, the writs, they look really, really bad. This service does not well, Viking, I haven't seen bad stuff on Viking, but but but I think there's a certain type of person that can really do well on cruises, and I don't think I'm that person. Well, me neither. I am really not that person because I don't drink.

SPEAKER_01 34:28

If I yeah, there's not drinking already, you're like, well, there's a lot of the you know, but I'm also like and I drink and I'm like, is it gonna be like the version that I want it to be? Is it gonna be nice enough? It's gonna be good, it's gonna be weird, right?

SPEAKER_00 34:42

Well, you can drink like a beer that you like, I guess. Um, but no, the and then I would say that the other part though that I love is I do I love the what you don't like, which is I love being around the same people over and over again. Like I could just do summer camp all day long. I could host five families in this house, you know, like and just be like every day, see the same people, make them coffee every day. I would love it. I would have it would never be.

SPEAKER_01 35:11

Yes, that's the beloved Zach is like, I just want to be in a house with my friends right now. That's all I want. Yeah, that's so you. You thrive in that situation.

SPEAKER_00 35:20

Well, let's go to sip on this.

SPEAKER_01 35:22

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 35:24

Sip on this. Sip on this. I matched up your sip on this last week perfectly. Did you listen to it? Oh, so good. I didn't get that far. Sip on this. Sip on this. Get that far. Okay, so sip on this. Uh, I would say my sip on this is uh villas with your friends. I want to go on more vacations with my friends. I feel like the millennial that we are, I'm gonna go back to the generational thing for one more time, is we want to be around our friends and we're desperate for that. But because owning homes is a really complex and difficult thing to do, you often have to move and not live always by people that you want to live next to. Yeah. Versus years ago, it was like you could just live in the city with your friends and like no one worried about it. Cause it was like, yeah, you just get a house here or whatever. Now it's like, nope, you got to move out to this area or this area, you gotta move back to your hometown or whatever it is. I fucking hate that. That makes me so sad because I want to be around my friends all the time. So that's why I would go on a cruise with my friends or all-inclusive hotels, which I don't like either, just to be around my people all the time. So maybe we just need to go on more trips where we get like a villa or something where everyone can be at, even with even the ones with the kids. I just want to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_01 36:31

I know I like being around the babies and the kids. I love the babies. But the parents don't always well, it depends. Right. I feel like our friends who have babies between ages like one and four want to be around the kids. If the kid is like five, that's when it starts to be like they're safe with grandma and grandpa or a sitter or something like that, and they want to be like away from the kids.

SPEAKER_00 36:52

I just love it. I'm like, bring them. So I've got more friend time.

SPEAKER_01 36:55

Yeah, I'm with you.

SPEAKER_00 36:56

So I'm sipping on spending time with your friends.

SPEAKER_01 36:59

I feel really like greedy. I've been able to see like pretty much all of my best friends in the span of the last like two, three weeks. It's been awesome. And it's so nice.

SPEAKER_00 37:09

I got to see Kelsey.

SPEAKER_01 37:10

I got to see Kelsey there. She's due very soon. I got to see the Richie's. I got to see Lauren and Lauren and Alex and everyone.

SPEAKER_00 37:18

Well, in three weeks, you're gonna see Becca.

SPEAKER_01 37:23

She's asleep. Dolly's asleep. Uh and I I saw Chelsea earlier this year. You know, it's just so nice. It's just so nothing's better than being able to see your friends.

SPEAKER_00 37:32

All right, what are you sipping on, my love, my dear?

SPEAKER_01 37:34

I am sipping on women and girls of the world. It's time to start eating again.

SPEAKER_00 37:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 37:42

I am really serious, and I'm sorry. This has been brewing in me for months now, especially since the red carpet season. But I don't want this to come across as body shaming anyone. I'm really not. I'm recognizing it's something I've experienced myself, and it's also something I have witnessed before in the early 2000s. There is an acceptable promotion of thinness right now that is who, like maybe the worst it's ever been. And I spent a lot of time online and on TikTok, and it's all these people showing you how to eat less, like, especially for girls and women, for like, you have to track this and you need to be cutting this out. And like, there's just like a big emphasis on thinness. Of course, they use code words like lean and toned and de-bloating and all of this, but what they mean is skinny. And I just think when you're seeing bones and clavicles and like deterioration of muscle, like it's that's not what that is. That is something separate. And I think it's a hard time to be online, even as someone who's been on the internet forever now. Even for me, it's like my body dysmorphia. I have to like really fight against it because it's it's kind of it gets bad because I start seeing all of these images. Like, well, I should be able to be that then too. I'm working out all the time, blah, blah, blah.

SPEAKER_02 39:21

Right.

SPEAKER_01 39:21

But the truth of the matter is like I'm the strongest I've maybe ever been. Like ever. I can run and feel really good. I can bike and feel good. I'm can lift weights. I'm like super athletic right now, and that's amazing. But when you start looking at people who are just kind of like whittling away, it's you go, okay, well, I should be doing that too.

SPEAKER_02 39:47

Right.

SPEAKER_01 39:48

I know better, so I can talk myself out of it, but I think a lot of people can't, and a lot of young girls can't. So I think it's a responsibility of women to embrace how they are and who they are and remember that the things that we leave behind have nothing to do with what we look like, yeah, and have everything to do with how you make people feel. I, you know, when I was in my like hardest time with body stuff, I thought about, well, what would people say about me if I'm not around anymore? And it's the qualities are not gonna be anything to do with my appearance.

SPEAKER_02 40:27

Right.

SPEAKER_01 40:27

So I just think we are here right now for this time, and we should be eating and celebrating and enjoying our lives and enjoying ourselves and having fun this summer and not being worried about six packs or our one to two abs. And as she speaks for herself. As I speak for myself, like I'm saying this to everyone as much as I'm saying it to myself. But it's time to be setting better examples for for women and girls again, and that means eating in every way.

SPEAKER_00 41:03

I agree. Yeah, I agree, and I think the GLP one issue is that now women and men both obviously can take a drug that helps them lose weight if they don't even need to lose weight, like and it will work. And a lot of the people that we saw really kind of overdoing it on them kind of cut back because they're like, Oh shit, like I look bad, this skinny. And so it's not that's a body shame, but like you don't look healthy if you are weak and frail and not eating. Like there's a whole thing about like just being healthy in general, is eating healthy. Eating healthy is a good thing for you, not eating less necessarily. So, yeah, I I agree with that. And and working out the way you have been doing is so healthy and awesome because you are also required to consume calories and proteins. I have to have energy to do it, and it's it's empowering, like, yeah, I'm gonna eat this meal because it's gonna I'm tomorrow. I'm gonna go crush this run and I need that fuel. That's what it is. And yeah, not that everything should then be related to the exercise, but it's still it's a mentality of like food is calorie for uh for energy to to express your body at a very strong and high level, but also food is community, it's family, it's friendship, it's enjoyable, uh, it tastes amazing. Yeah, and uh yeah, I just think that I totally agree with you and I I'm curious of when the pendulum will swing, will swing because it always tends to do it.

SPEAKER_01 42:25

It does, it'll take a couple years, but yeah, I think the reframe that's helpful for me is like thinking about what my body is capable of instead of what my body looks like, right? And that's a really powerful shift. And I'm like the fact that I can get through a day energized, period, even just like running errands is like, whoa, that that actually does take a lot of energy. You're getting through a day of work for other people.

SPEAKER_02 42:52

Sure.

SPEAKER_01 42:53

And commutes and whatnot. Like that takes a lot to be able to take care of your family, to be able to even work out and do a whole day on top of that. And you know, just thinking about, I even think about my what my knee is doing for me right now. Like that that needs energy. My hair needs energy, like my eyeballs need stuff. Like, it's about so much more than what anything looks like. It's about what you're capable of doing.

SPEAKER_00 43:18

Love it. Amen.

SPEAKER_02 43:19

That's it.

SPEAKER_00 43:20

Amen. Snaps. All right, you guys. Well, thank you so much for listening to another episode. We love you all. Don't forget to like and subscribe and to share with your friends and um have a fabulous meal right now.

SPEAKER_01 43:35

Yeah, uh, but no feast on your life, baby.

SPEAKER_00 43:37

Yeah, feast on your life and enjoy your summer. Uh, we will have another episode before we take off to Europe. But uh I think we're gonna have a season one ending soon.

SPEAKER_01 43:48

Oh my god, we're gonna do a break.

SPEAKER_00 43:49

We're gonna do a season break. Crazy times.

SPEAKER_01 43:52

Weird that we have to, but I think it's gonna be really fun and catch up on to.

SPEAKER_00 43:57

Absolutely. But I love you guys, and um hopefully. This will be on Apple.

SPEAKER_01 44:01

Fingers crossed.

SPEAKER_00 44:02

Fingers crossed. Love you guys.

SPEAKER_01 44:04

Thank you so much. Bye. Bye. Cheers.