OMG! Rihanna Has Entered the Summer House Chat!

How on earth does Bravo keep delivering the DRAMA? Andy Cohen must have made a deal with a magical reality TV Genie because once again a show that was stalling in the mud after years of becoming stale has made a shocking ratings recovery at the best possible time.

On this week's episode we dive deeper into the FALLOUT from Amanda and West's romance that has shocked the known universe and Rihanna apparently! 

We also remind everyone how right we were about Sabrina Carpenter and her sexy and fun and Bling Ring coded music video for House Tour.

Enjoy!

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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:03

Welcome, welcome, welcome to another episode of Little Coffee Chats with Zach and Kaylee. My name is Zach Mann.

SPEAKER_00 0:10

And my name is Kayleigh Mann. And welcome to April. It's Zach's birthday month. Happy birthday every day.

SPEAKER_03 0:18

Thank you. It is my birthday month, and actually, today, you guys, we have a short episode because we're gonna hopefully be able to book some Olympic tickets for 2028. Happy birthday to me.

SPEAKER_00 0:29

Happy birthday to you. Thank you, sweet baby Jesus. We're getting in on the Olympic lottery.

SPEAKER_03 0:33

I think we're in you.

SPEAKER_00 0:35

I mean, you're wearing Olympic gear every single day of your life.

SPEAKER_03 0:38

I know.

SPEAKER_00 0:39

You deserve these tickets.

SPEAKER_03 0:40

I'm very grateful that I got a slot, but I am worried that there won't be a lot of the events I want to see. But with that said, it's the Olympics, we should just go see whatever.

SPEAKER_00 0:49

I think so too. I've never been to any kind of Olympic event. You, I feel like, are an old hat.

SPEAKER_03 0:54

I am, and I've been spoiled. So now it's time for me to like get the reality check. You know, being with us plebeians. We'll have to pay for stuff.

SPEAKER_00 1:02

Oh, yeah, I have to pay for things.

SPEAKER_03 1:04

But hey, um, you guys, thank you so much for listening. I'm actually gonna reverse something. Uh please like and subscribe if you and share the podcast with all your friends. It means a lot to us. Thank you so much. We have some amazing reviews as well, which feel very unworthy of.

SPEAKER_00 1:18

Shocking to receive them. So thank you.

SPEAKER_03 1:20

So kind. Also, we're on YouTube. We're getting almost as many um uh views on YouTube as downloads, which is incredible. So thank you. And you can find us, I think it's like the La Coffee Chats. Yeah. Um, yeah, so thank you so much, everyone, for that. And Kaylee, oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_00 1:36

Oh my lord.

SPEAKER_03 1:37

We have a lot to go over.

SPEAKER_00 1:38

Okay, so this has happened now two or three weeks in a row where we talk about the possibility of something. The day we record is Monday, and the day we release the podcast is Tuesday. And what has happened is that we're speculating on Monday, and the news actually breaks on Tuesdays. So last week we were speculating about the Amanda West situation, right? The cast members from Summer House.

SPEAKER_03 2:01

Well, also it was it April Fool's? Was it a brand deal? Was it you know, there's a lot of things that it could have been.

SPEAKER_00 2:06

Unfortunately, it was all real, it was all true. My instincts were correct.

SPEAKER_03 2:13

Hold on.

SPEAKER_00 2:14

Your instincts were I was wrong.

SPEAKER_03 2:17

But has West released any statement at all?

SPEAKER_00 2:19

Yes, he was part of the it was a joint statement. They both didn't say anything, posted the same thing.

SPEAKER_03 2:25

Oh, okay. But that was nothing. I don't even think I even know what they even said.

SPEAKER_00 2:29

That was confirming the fact that they were exploring a relationship between the two of them. Wow. Which is kind of dumb. It's like if you have to put out a statement about your situationship, I understand kind of why they did it, but it's just kind of it sucks. And the fact that within three months, Amanda posted a joint statement with Kyle about their separation and their separating and divorce. And then, like three months later, a post about her exploring a relationship with West.

SPEAKER_03 2:59

Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_00 3:00

Sucks. Sucks that she has to do it in the first place, honestly.

SPEAKER_03 3:03

Okay, so I know that there's been a lot of um blowback on Amanda because there's like a girl code thing going on. There's also like a boycode thing going on that not, I don't think anyone that the Bravo I don't care.

SPEAKER_00 3:13

I don't care about Kyle.

SPEAKER_03 3:15

The Bravo universe doesn't have a bro code, really. It's all about girls. Um, what is your now that you had a chance to sit on it for about a week now, give us your your take on the whole thing in the following.

SPEAKER_00 3:27

My take is God, I consumed a lot of information about this in the last week, and it it really kind of started to bum me out for a few reasons. One, I think when the fur when the situation like first happened and like the news broke, I really put myself in Sierra's shoes, and it totally sucks. You know, she's had an on-again, off-again relationship with West for a few years now. I think it's something that she felt very deeply about, but didn't want to like give herself over to that, kind of knowing that West is not really a full commitment kind of guy. And you also have, I'm thinking about Sierra and her friendship with Amanda and how much she supported Amanda over the past few years, but especially over this last summer, which we can see in Summerhouse, how much you know she was there for her, and you know, feeling like Amanda was there for her as well. And then for this to be happening under your nose, even if you're not in a full relationship with West, there are still feelings there. And the rumor is that they actually had been hooking up like just the weeks, a few weeks prior to this breaking. So it's just a lot of it's like Wait, Sierra and West were hooking up? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:41

Interesting.

SPEAKER_00 4:42

So it's a lot, it's two people betraying you. One is like West, where you go, honestly, unfortunately, West doesn't get a lot of the brunt of the online hate because you go, Yeah, that's expected of West.

SPEAKER_01 4:55

Right.

SPEAKER_00 4:56

It's so easy to dismiss a guy. You're like, I don't expect much greatness out of a man ever. So whatever. But thinking about the Amanda betrayal of it all is really the harrowing part of it. That is like stomach dropping out of my butt kind of feeling.

SPEAKER_03 5:15

And I have to say, when Rihanna unfollows you, what does that do to somebody?

SPEAKER_00 5:20

I would need to be hospitalized. Genuinely. I actually, this is what I would do. I go into my following and I would just remove her as a follower first because I wouldn't want to think about her like possibly unfollowing me.

SPEAKER_04 5:35

No, you would not.

SPEAKER_00 5:36

I would take control of the situation.

SPEAKER_03 5:38

No way.

SPEAKER_00 5:39

I mean, no, it would feel horrible.

SPEAKER_03 5:41

If okay, if Beyoncé followed you, let's say she followed you, okay? Would you live your entire existence online only for her?

SPEAKER_00 5:49

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 5:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:50

Everything I post, everything I do, I would think Beyoncé seeing this. Yeah. I gotta, I gotta show up and show out.

SPEAKER_03 5:57

Do you think Amanda knew that Rihanna was following her?

SPEAKER_00 6:01

Absolutely. Okay. Of course. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 6:03

Okay, okay, okay. Oh man.

SPEAKER_00 6:05

So I mean, I think, you know, for Sierra, it's such a shitty situation. She also opened up to the entire cast last summer about how difficult a position it is for her to be in, to be a black woman dating a white man and on national TV. On national TV and all of the commentary she receives around that. So when you open up this, that's the other layer that people are like really upset about. Yeah. Where it's like she, a person who does not like to open up that much, really was vulnerable and shared a lot of herself, and two white people played in her face.

SPEAKER_02 6:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:40

You know?

SPEAKER_02 6:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:42

Now, as much as I think Amanda's behaviors and actions are wrong, especially in terms of friendship, I think there's such a fine line between pointing out behaviors like that people should have, you know, keep an eye out for and slut shaming. And I feel like we are now teetering what brings a country together more than anything is collectively hating on one woman. Yes. And that to me is the frustrating thing where I go, okay, now we're reading into kind of ridiculous stuff. And people are looking back through how her interactions with Craig was like during Winterhouse, and you know, was she too close with him? And they're Amanda? Amanda, Amanda. Like now they're examining like absolutely everything she's ever done. And that's where I think it gets like a little borderline crazy.

SPEAKER_03 7:41

Yeah, well, look, the whole other thing to think about if you were to like take Sierra out of it and just look at Amanda, she was in a bad relationship on national television that made her lots of money to be in a relationship that was bad. And eventually you can kind of fall for someone who you're close to a lot because you're part that's you're allowed to be close to that person. Uh oh. True. And therefore, feelings or whatever happened. Um, I don't so it sucks. The Sierra of it all is really, really difficult, I think, for her and for the fans of the show to like reconcile the Amanda part with that. But I do understand where Amanda's coming from. She was in an awful situation too. But isn't there we said this, isn't there some other guy, like any other guy than West?

SPEAKER_00 8:30

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 8:31

But do not shit where you eat. Right. But with that said, it also is like Sierra, uh, Carl, Lindsay, all of them hooked up with each other. I mean, like they all Jesse Solomon, like they all f date each other. I mean, and there are friend groups like that.

SPEAKER_00 8:45

There are friend groups where they're like a little bit incestuous, where they're you know, swapping partners and stuff all the time. I have not been involved with anything like that, but you know, there are groups of kids in like high school I can think about where like, you know, they dated each other and whatever. And like that's not that abnormal, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 9:02

Right.

SPEAKER_00 9:03

But I think um in this case, because there's such a deep history with Sierra and West, it was bad. It's terrible, it's really awful. I also think, you know, uh the Amanda situation is just like it so sucks. Cause I was like really hating on Kyle this whole season. And just like, and I was really defending Amanda. Yeah. And now it makes it it's just it's a harsher light on Amanda now, which is like not really entirely fair because it does kind of take Kyle out of the entire equation because people are like, oh, I want Lover Boy to succeed now, and like we were fine with it failing like two weeks ago. Right, I know. I'm like, come on, it's a weird, it's kind of like standing for nothing in a way, where it's like you're just gonna kind of constantly move the target and what you stand for. It's like, well, no, I'm gonna be anti-Kyle and anti-Avanta separately.

SPEAKER_03 9:58

Well, like you said, it's like the collective uh hating on a woman thing is very nothing brings people together more, yeah. And so like Sierra unfortunately took the brunt of a lot of stuff that we will never even know because I'm sure she she keeps a lot of that in, you know, very close to the top. Very close, which is so awful. And KJ's been a great cast, by the way, just get a weird aside. KJ's been a great cast member. It's given Sierra a different level of confidence. She's like looking out for KJ in different ways, and the conversations have been really interesting and unique compared to seasons past, and now with the story with Amanda and West, right? It's like, oh shit, this is what she was trying to, you know, talking about. Uh but uh, you know, all of these scandals are so great for the shows. And one of the things that's so crazy is that the Bachelorette totally botched it. They had a chance to have a great season, they even could have had the season happen with all the drama, but they totally botched it. And here's Bravo, like, hello, look what we got. We got Amanda Ball over here. Look at our scandal that we got. And it's uh they keep on winning.

SPEAKER_00 11:02

What are you couldn't have planned it better?

SPEAKER_03 11:04

How is it for you as a huge Bravo fan? Do you just love seeing this happen every season for you? If a new show gets something like this pops up.

SPEAKER_00 11:12

You know, I have actually been thinking that there hadn't been a scandal, like a big scandal that I cared about for a while. And like this is almost four years later after Scandal, like almost to the date.

SPEAKER_04 11:26

It's been four years since Scandal.

SPEAKER_00 11:29

Or maybe three, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 11:31

It's been three years. I thought it was like six months.

SPEAKER_00 11:34

I remember when the news broke. That was like literally like yesterday. Because like we've had breakups that are shocking. Like, I was surprised when Paige and Craig broke up, but there hasn't been like a scandal, and this is just I think it's particularly gripping because a lot of women have like a fear of like a friend doing something to you, or like even if it's not a best friend, someone within your circle like betraying you in some way. And I mean, I don't really walk around operating like that, but a lot of people do. And I was like, there's gonna be something that happens, and here it is. I mean, it's kind of the nature of Bravo, but I care all I care a lot about Vanderpump and I care a lot about Summer House. So for it to happen for both of those shows, the thing is that they're actually real people. I don't like I I hate what I know happens after something traumatic like this. I hate that that's happening to everyone involved, you know. Like Sierra going through it mentally, probably it's gonna, it's awful, you know. I think for Amanda also, I have a lot of sympathy and empathy for that as well. Even though people are like, so what if she's fragile? She's gonna get what she deserves. Like if you can't stomach what you've done, it's like blah, blah. Well, you don't, it's not up to you what happens in your brain after you've gone through something like horrible.

SPEAKER_03 12:57

But also get what you deserve, that you lose a friendship, not having the entire country hate you or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 13:03

Like, normally it's like to get what she deserves, but like death threats is not what you deserve at all. No, no, yeah. Tearing her apart. And I also don't like everyone finally being like, oh, now I can finally get it off my chest. I've never liked Amanda. It's like, oh my god.

SPEAKER_04 13:19

Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_00 13:20

Let it just be one thing. I mean, it's just really the the self, what's it called when like your um your internalized misogyny is like really showing up here in a way that's not helpful to anyone. Yeah, my and let me also add that there's a lot of like, oh, she's not a girl's girl arguments. And you hear that phrase a lot on Bravo. They say it on like every show, like, oh, well, she's not really a girl's girl. And I think that is another term and a tool that women used to they try to hold each other accountable, but they ultimately end up weaponizing that against someone else. And it's like, well, what is a girl's girl? You could constantly change what that means and how strict that is. It's like another way of holding someone within like a small box of being.

SPEAKER_02 14:13

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 14:14

Let's stop using that phrase and just say, you're a liar and a traitor. It doesn't mean she's I just hate that the it's such like a weaponized term now where it's like it almost means nothing if no one can really end up being a girl's girl. It doesn't allow for women to have a range of behaviors and still be a feminist or still a good friend to some people and a bad friend to other people. Like it's just so limiting. And I'm sure if I spent some time actually thinking about this more and writing about it, I would have a more eloquent way of putting how I actually feel about this. Yeah. But it's a term that I think we just throw around to hurt each other. And I I just don't think it's helpful.

SPEAKER_03 15:01

Yeah, I think that's fair. You know, well, let's move off of this subject. Um, but I I do want to say one, my final piece on it. You can of course keep going if you want, but my final piece really is from Scandaval to whatever this one's called, both of them Scamanda. Scamanda. Basically, in my opinion, both of the to me, they're not scandals at all. They're not scandals. These were couples that were in very bad relationships. One was a divorce that was happening for a married couple, one was they were never married in um Scandalball, right?

SPEAKER_00 15:35

Correct, but they've just been living together for a year.

SPEAKER_03 15:37

Yeah, because Ariana's like, I don't want to get married.

SPEAKER_00 15:41

They were both miserable. And both parties in this were miserable too.

SPEAKER_03 15:44

So it's like both couples were were done uh with each other, and they just were together for too long at the end. They should have broken up way longer or divorced or broken up way longer ago. Earlier. Earlier. Yeah. Um, but the show kept them together because it was who they were in the eyes of this universe. And so what I'm trying to say to that is uh it's not a shock to me that this happened.

SPEAKER_00 16:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:09

Uh, but I do think that I hope maybe people can learn to break up with people before the scandal happens.

SPEAKER_01 16:16

I know.

SPEAKER_03 16:16

And we're seeing that. Let's go really quickly to um what's our new show we watch, Southern Hospitality? Oh, yes. Where we have like a little bit of a potential breakup between Maddie, Maddie and uh Joe.

SPEAKER_00 16:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:32

And it's like, yeah, don't marry this guy if you don't want to be with him.

SPEAKER_00 16:37

Like they're here's what's happening. Yeah, tell me. Maddie is a DJ and her career is really taking off. Joe spent like the last six months or whatever traveling the country with her on her burgeoning, you know, DJ career. And he's turning 30. He realizes he doesn't have a lot going on in his life. I think he is, or he's trying to figure out what his next big thing is for himself. Totally understandable. But I think he would be fine with just attaching himself to Maddie forever. And Maddie is like, eh, I don't think she's ready for that. And nor should she be. She should really be free and as open to opportunities as they come up because like you don't get those shots that many times.

SPEAKER_03 17:24

No, you don't, you don't, and that show isn't as popular as some of the other ones where you become like a really big deal after the show finishes airing. So I think there is this level of like, oh, I have a career.

SPEAKER_00 17:34

You have to take your moment, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:36

Yeah, yeah. Interesting. Yeah, that's a we I've really been enjoying Southern Hospitality.

SPEAKER_00 17:40

And there's Oh, it's so fun. I love hanging out with them.

SPEAKER_03 17:43

Yeah, there's been it. I don't know what is going on necessarily, like if it's this editorial is showing us more of this, but like race is really playing a much bigger part in Bravo 2026 than maybe it's ever played.

SPEAKER_00 17:58

Uh I think they've made more intentional casting choices and they have they tried to do this right after like 2020.

SPEAKER_03 18:07

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 18:08

And it didn't go so well.

SPEAKER_03 18:09

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 18:10

And now I think it's happening in a more organic way where these people actually work there, they are actually friends, and they uh I think they've wanted to be able to showcase some of this, but in certain houses or cities or whatever, it's a little harder to do that. But I think Charleston's a great place to show this where this racism happens and comes into play with small interactions that a white girl may not think about.

SPEAKER_03 18:42

Right.

SPEAKER_00 18:43

It's really it's important. It's important to capture it, it's important to have people who are on the show feel comfortable talking about what they felt was a microaggression.

SPEAKER_03 18:57

Well, how they feel in general, and that how they feel in general, and if they feel in general something that is based on race, like they should be comfortable talking about it versus internalizing that and never saying it, and then just having resentment towards a person and the audience in a show will never know why or what. Right. But then they can really be honest uh about it now more than ever.

SPEAKER_00 19:14

I think as much as I don't necessarily believe that like uh social media social justice totally works. I do think that post-2020, you know, this is six years later, yeah, but it is a part of conversations and it is a part of, you know, Sierra can't not talk about this at this point in her career and uh being on the show and what she's faced and what she's experienced. And I think that's great to see for Sierra, who's a little bit older than like the cast of Southern hospitality. It's cool to see a for sure. I think Sierra's a millennial, I'm not sure, but like Southern hospitality is like Gen Z. So it's like a part of how they talk and how they think about their lives. Yeah. And they're not they're not putting up with it, which is great. So I I think it's like a generational thing. I think it's a timing thing. I think I'm happy to see all of it.

SPEAKER_03 20:11

No, I am too. I think it's interesting. It's almost like there's like a new frontier where it's like it is, yeah. Well, it's funny to say that it it everything is cyclical as far as like too many things are cyclical, but it's almost like in some ways, uh being gay, straight, non-binary, your sexual orientation, gender fluidity, all of that has become so much more uh discussed and talked about, and especially in Bravo, like open and like people are able to be very confident in some of these spaces more than ever. But then it's like, well, what about race? It's like, oh, we haven't we haven't really we haven't really worked on that one in a while, nor have we ever figured that one out, and that's still very, very powerful. Yeah, and I think what's interesting is that we're seeing that rear its head versus uh some of the sexuality things, which uh makes sense with a president who's like everything is DEI and black women should be fired from their jobs and things like that, you know, in federal government, and you can't give people uh promotions in the military who are black because or brown because they're they're DEI and they're bad at their job, and that's happening right now. And so it's like I think there is like this newly pushed racial agenda that people are seeing, and it's creating a pushback that uh I feel I feel really bad for a lot of these kids who are five who are feeling this way more than than ever. Uh you would think that we'd be a lot further along in 2026, but we're not. I think we're going backwards on that issue.

SPEAKER_00 21:41

So yeah. Well, obviously we are, otherwise we're gonna be brought up. Clearly.

SPEAKER_03 21:45

Clearly. Okay. We have 10 minutes. Well, we've solved that. Gosh, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_00 21:49

Wow, so we solved so much.

SPEAKER_03 21:51

We've solved the race relations on the internet. Uh would you say Okay, well, let's should we just move on entirely from from

SPEAKER_00 22:00

We're gonna ask. I'm curious.

SPEAKER_03 22:02

Oh, well I was gonna say, uh do you think Sierra like what do you think Sierra's next move is? Like, is this the end of Sierra on Summer House? Is she gonna like is this? I hope so.

SPEAKER_00 22:17

Is this the start of a I think this is gonna be the start of the rest of her career? Interesting. And I think if it were me, I would do the reunion and I would not go back to that house. Yeah, same. They're probably gonna have to do a similar casting thing like Vanderpump Rules, where you go, we have to start over.

unknown 22:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:37

And there's a lot of question marks about what's gonna happen within the city at this point, too, because it's like Amanda is not a likable, lovable person right now. That's not to say that could change in the future.

SPEAKER_03 22:50

It doesn't mean we don't want to watch her as well. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 22:53

And I also think we don't know the terms of Amanda and Kyle's relationship, really. We don't. He'd been messing around on her for years. Who knows what kind of things they and that's that's private between them. They don't really have to share that. So that's also why I'm like, hold up. We don't know. I think the again, the messiest part is the West Sierra of all. That's that I don't really have an excuse for. But but I say, hold on, let's see how everything shakes out. I'm really curious to see how the reunion goes. Yeah. And I hope everyone better show up. I think I think Amanda's gonna be there. Who knows about West?

SPEAKER_03 23:31

Yeah, and I hope Amanda, just because I'm a peacemaker, I want her to really apologize and and just listen and apologize for her for it, you know. But also, like, I hope that if she hopefully she and West are like like each other a lot. Otherwise, what a waste. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 23:46

I have a feeling they're already broken up. That's my instincts.

SPEAKER_03 23:49

Yes, I know.

SPEAKER_00 23:50

I think it was all it was, it did not work out for anyone.

SPEAKER_03 23:53

I'm curious about yeah, I agree. Well, look, nothing like a national scandal makes you really go, should we do this or not? So if they're together at the reunion, they're like really together. If they're not, they obviously are not meant to be. I mean, it's like it's it's pretty obvious.

SPEAKER_00 24:09

And he's been on like the West Coast this past week.

SPEAKER_03 24:12

So well, okay, what else do you have on your list? Because it's Coachella this weekend, too.

SPEAKER_00 24:16

We haven't even had-I literally have nothing on the list because I was really caught up with Scamanda all week, which I don't like calling it Scamanda because that was the name of another podcast about something else, which was also fascinating.

SPEAKER_03 24:31

Coachella Weekend one is coming up. We got a Sabrina Carpenter house tour music video.

SPEAKER_00 24:36

I haven't watched it yet. Oh, it's awesome.

SPEAKER_03 24:38

It's so good, it's so cute. It's uh it's basically her and um Margaret Quayley and some other model Madeline Klein. Madeline Klein actress, actress breaking into it. Feels like they're breaking into someone's home that they may have met at a bar or something like that, and like fucking with all their stuff, like stealing all their things and playing with all the outfits and going to the pool and taking a bath and all messing around in there, and then they get out before the um the cops show up. It's very cute and very sweet, and they're very adorable.

SPEAKER_00 25:09

Very blingering.

SPEAKER_03 25:10

It is blingering coated to the I was trying to remember the name of that. It's blingering all the way to the end. Yes, it's bling to the ring. Super cute. That song is so fun, and she has her that was my favorite song immediately. She has the biggest show of her entire career, in my opinion, where she's gonna headline Coachella. Can you believe it?

SPEAKER_00 25:27

It's amazing. I can believe it because she was at Coachella a few years ago, was incredible. We've seen her, I feel like I've seen her twice, but I've only seen her once. Did we see her twice?

SPEAKER_03 25:37

Oh no, we didn't see her at Coachella. We only saw her once. Okay, you're right.

SPEAKER_00 25:41

She is so ready, she's just oh, she's perfect. She's perfect, she's like so cute, so adorable, so also hot and sexy, hard to strike, all of those things. And an impeccable performer. Yes. The stage presence, the live singing, the she's so playful and fun. I mean, she was she's ready for this moment.

SPEAKER_03 26:04

Yeah, I agree. I I'm really I'm really excited for her. You know, we've definitely talked a lot about her with uh with the idea of like who is the next pop star that can compete with Taylor Swift when Taylor's time kind of starts to wind down a little bit, which will happen eventually. And we had the the we had Sabrina obviously on our list, we had Olivia Rodrigo, we had um give me all the names. We had Chapel Roan, and we had uh everything is coming up, Sabrina. Yeah, who's the last one? Gracie, maybe? Oh yeah, Gracie was a little bit in there. Um now with this year, you have like Olivia Dean and some always you'll always have new artists, whatever. But like our take on Sabrina, I think has been correct from the beginning. She loves what she does, she loves it. She directed the music video with Margaret. I don't know if you knew that, it's on there. She's taking obviously the page out of Taylor's playbook of like getting more involved in all your creative things because you get to enjoy that more when you're being more involved and you get to own it and be your own creative force behind it. It keeps you excited because I can only imagine, unless you're like really a weirdo like Taylor is where it's like you love to write so much, you love you're just like obsessed and also kind of deranged when it comes to like your hobby, your passion. She is uh you have to find other ways to be excited, it can't just be that for everyone. And so um, I I think Sabrina is showing us that she is absolutely suited to be the next uh Taylor Swift.

SPEAKER_00 27:27

1000%. Clearly, Chapel doesn't have it.

SPEAKER_03 27:29

She can't have a theme. Yeah, I I feel bad. Someone said that the um security guard was Sabrina Carpenter's security guard, something like that.

SPEAKER_01 27:38

Oh, I have no idea.

SPEAKER_03 27:39

But but it it's okay. I think it's really hard to be famous. And some people absolutely and some people are really good at it. That we're always like, wow, that person's so amazing. That makes people who aren't good at it look worse, you know what I mean, versus being just more normal. Like normal people should not be good at being famous, right? Right? Like you should just be like awkward and weird and get into weird stuff. But the ones we see, Taylor's a good example. Well, we don't see her be she's really good at being evasive of people, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:06

Which is kind of part of it. I don't know. She's but she's like when she when it's she's being public, she's very kind.

SPEAKER_03 28:13

Yes, but it is important to have spaces for yourself, and Chapel based on what Chapel needs, apparently, she should be a bit less public because she just doesn't like that, which is okay. It's okay, but it's hard when other people really want you to be public with them. So I hope she figures that out. I think she's super talented. I know we're gonna get more music from her, and she'll probably get it together with her team and all that. But Sabrina is really the star, uh, the star baker, and at the same time, Olivia Rodrigo has a new album coming out.

SPEAKER_00 28:49

Oh, I'm excited.

SPEAKER_03 28:50

Do you think we're gonna get a single on Friday?

SPEAKER_00 28:52

I think we could. She's doing all the locks like all around the world or whatever right now.

SPEAKER_03 28:56

Because she has to, because she has to do something to take away Sabrina's spotlight, huh?

SPEAKER_00 29:00

Well, they're friends now, but but I think launching a song before Coachella weekend is a great time because most people aren't going to Coachella. It is.

SPEAKER_03 29:08

Also, I bet you I'd put a dollar on Olivia headlining Coachella next year. She totally should. She should. She should not do any shows until Coachella and then launch her tour.

SPEAKER_00 29:18

Okay, Angel, we gotta get into it.

SPEAKER_03 29:20

Okay, we gotta do our uh sip on this. Sip on this. Sip on Dolly.

SPEAKER_00 29:29

Oh, I love her. She's always the stuff we're sipping on. I just love Dolly. Come here. Come here, sweetie. Come here, you little angel pumpkin. Oh, she's so sweet and cute.

SPEAKER_03 29:41

We're doing the sip on this with Dolly in the house.

SPEAKER_00 29:43

Dolly, what are you sipping on? What is Dolly sipping on? Do you love daddy? And do you love Mimi? Do you love Pops? And do you love mommy? Yeah. I won't even say any of your aunties' names because you will bark.

SPEAKER_03 29:56

Yeah. Okay, so I'm sipping on getting hopefully opening ceremony tickets to take you to the 11th in 2028.

SPEAKER_00 30:03

Although the rumor is that they're already sold out, so they are. I think that's just the rumor. I don't know if that's true, but what are you sipping on? I am sipping on a hundred years late, a court of thorn and roses. A court of thorns and roses. Akotar, which is like the most famous romantic fantasy series of all time. And I'm so, I'm literally so behind on this trend. I just didn't think I would like the genre. I thought I wouldn't understand it. I thought like I just wouldn't be able to like keep up with it or remember anything important. Oh boy, was I wrong. Let me tell you, it is so nice to find something new to you at this point in life where you go, this could be a new part of my life that I actually really love. And this is so exciting. I read like an over 400-page paper book.

SPEAKER_03 30:59

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 31:00

In like four days.

SPEAKER_03 31:01

You're a fantasy head.

SPEAKER_00 31:03

I'm a fan. Well, okay, I just picked up book two today and it's over 600 pages.

SPEAKER_03 31:08

I saw that. I didn't know books could be that big anymore.

SPEAKER_00 31:11

Big boy. Me neither, but I guess if it's fantasy, it can.

SPEAKER_03 31:15

Um, quick question. Are there movies coming out soon based on these books?

SPEAKER_00 31:19

There are shows. I think deals for like all of the above. Okay. And this is just one of the fantasy series that this author has. She has two other series. Massive series. Like so many books.

SPEAKER_03 31:33

How many books are in this one that you're in currently?

SPEAKER_00 31:36

Uh, five. The sixth is coming out in the fall, and the seventh book is coming out in like January or February next year.

SPEAKER_03 31:42

They also have two other series that have multiple books.

SPEAKER_00 31:45

Yes. Holy cow. Oh, there we go.

SPEAKER_03 31:48

All right, you guys. All right. Our alarm went off. We have to get these tickets to the Olympic.

SPEAKER_00 31:53

So Okay, we gotta go.

SPEAKER_03 31:54

We gotta go. We love you all so much. Thank you so much for listening. And uh, yeah, next week we may not have an episode. So enjoy this one and uh because we'll be gone.

SPEAKER_00 32:04

We'll see what kind of scandals unravel over the next two weeks.

SPEAKER_03 32:10

Love you all.

SPEAKER_00 32:11

Love you guys. Thanks for listening. Also, wishes the pack a happy birthday.