The Bachelorette Fallout

Where to begin!

Well, we were going to be doing a weekly recap of the Bacherlorette but that doesn't seem to be happening now does it? Soooo, on this week's episode we recap some of the best bits of the finale of The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives and the mental and physical wellbeing of the cast, not just Taylor. 

We then do a deep dive into our favorite new show Neighbors on HBO and the season finale featuring the unique marathon running nudist, Danny. Wow, what a thrilling 35 minutes of TV that was! NOT FOR KIDS. haha.

We also discuss the Disney+ doc Billy & Molly. You guys have to watch it. It destroyed us. In the best way of course. 

Don't forget to like and subscribe and rate the podcast! Thanks for listening as always!

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:05

Welcome, welcome, welcome to another episode of Little Coffee Chats with Zach and Kaylee. My name is Zach Mann.

SPEAKER_01 0:15

All right. And my name is Kayleigh Mann.

SPEAKER_00 0:17

Did you like that? That was kind of weird.

SPEAKER_01 0:19

It was very announcer. Is it because we watched F1 last night?

SPEAKER_00 0:22

Oh, maybe. You know, when I listen to the radio, I'm always in awe of how good radio people are. Like a real like sports radio in particular, it's like incredible how good they are. But they all have like this cadence that's super intentional that keeps you listening. But they do a cadence. Like I'm thinking right now about a cadence, but they can do it and then also speak perfectly about topics. And I will get lost if I'm trying to. Well, they're professionally trained, and they've been doing it forever.

SPEAKER_01 0:52

And also like the radio is a little bit different than podcasting. Don't you think?

SPEAKER_00 0:57

Yeah, the element of live, I think, makes it all even more exciting. And we do this live too.

SPEAKER_01 1:02

I feel like this is live when we're doing it.

SPEAKER_00 1:04

Well, not really live.

SPEAKER_01 1:05

No, I mean there is editing that happens after, but barely any. There's not a lot that gets cut out of an episode. No, most of the editing. Pretty much once we start, we're good to go.

SPEAKER_00 1:13

Yeah, I would say our podcasts are unedited until I do the cut-ups sometimes. I'll edit a take in like a one-minute video. I'll do a little editing.

SPEAKER_01 1:20

You're like TikTok. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:21

Yeah. Sometimes I'll edit.

SPEAKER_01 1:22

If I'm a little slow, or if I interrupt myself, which I do a lot.

SPEAKER_00 1:25

Yeah, but it's very slight. I mean, there is a lot. I think it's awful, but the amount of jump cutting that people watch in videos today is crazy to me.

SPEAKER_01 1:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:36

It's like they're making new sentences for somebody.

SPEAKER_01 1:39

Well, well, that's not but that's that's in. I don't like that. That's not accurate.

SPEAKER_00 1:44

Ours is just straight up, here we are.

SPEAKER_01 1:45

Anyway, uh my goal with anything that I ever put out there is that I hope that when you listen to a podcast, and if we're hanging out in real life, it feels the same. Sure. Uh my my biggest fear ever since I even had like a little blog, I was like, I never want someone to like read this and then meet me in person and be like, oh, you're so different than I thought. No, I want it to be like exactly the same.

SPEAKER_00 2:07

Yeah, authentically you. Okay, what are you sipping on? I love this uh tumbler, by the way.

SPEAKER_01 2:12

Well, I'm sipping on just black coffee, actually.

SPEAKER_00 2:15

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 2:16

In my little cup favorite things tumbler. I love that. Which is one of my favorite things, period. It's so cute.

SPEAKER_00 2:23

It is so cute.

SPEAKER_01 2:24

And I love when my coffee is hot, so I like to keep it in something like this versus a mug sometimes. Same because I want it to last the whole show.

SPEAKER_00 2:33

Sure. And I'm drinking your coffee that I buy you. And I love this mug. It's like uh the giant oversized that's really cute.

SPEAKER_01 2:43

Well, you made that, so of course you love it. Well, we technically made that.

SPEAKER_00 2:47

I mean, I didn't make that.

SPEAKER_01 2:48

That's true, but Kaylee did. Other Kaylee made that, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:50

Uh well, we have a lot to talk about today, and we have so much to talk about. You know, we we uh last week we had no idea that this week we would not be talking about the Bachelorette episode one. Yeah, and that's the big to-do right now is that conversation. However, I must say, things move fast. People will move so quickly through this that if the bachelorette doesn't happen at all, people would have moved on. They'll be fine in like a couple more days, it's over.

SPEAKER_01 3:18

Already the heat that I feel around this topic online now versus when the story broke, which was what, Thursday?

SPEAKER_00 3:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:27

Massively different. People have already moved on in a lot of ways. Yeah, you know, and I think when the video was released on Thursday, for those of you who don't know, there was a video that was released. Of course, the timing is really suspect to me of Taylor Frankie Paul in a really horrible moment, probably one of the worst moments of her life. And because of that video clip being made public, ABC made the decision to completely cancel and pull her season of The Bachelorette, which they were pushing up until that very moment, that morning. Absolutely. Yeah. So all of the chatter around it on that Thursday versus now, it's totally different. And people have had more time to do some digging too, which I'm grateful for.

SPEAKER_00 4:17

You know what's funny for me is I feel like the longer we go, the more likely they may air it too.

SPEAKER_01 4:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:24

Because it's like people get outraged for a second, maybe not even a second, like a blip of a second, half a second. That's a huge difference. But you know what I mean? People get outraged in a moment, they make a comment about it, they move on with their life to find something else to be outraged about. And I'm not saying that this isn't something that is bad.

SPEAKER_01 4:43

Right.

SPEAKER_00 4:43

It is bad. However, we all knew this. It's just that we're now seeing the video. So, with that said, we are able to then potentially move beyond it, just like we moved beyond the fact that we knew that this had happened three years ago.

SPEAKER_01 4:59

Right.

SPEAKER_00 5:00

But the video itself could also move on just as fast, and then we can air the show. Now, I think she needs support and help.

SPEAKER_01 5:08

And after watching virtually all of the season of um The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, they all are not all of them, but a few of them are struggling pretty badly with a various you know issues that you get, especially with being on TV and the pressure of how you see yourself and how others see you, and how their fame has changed the dynamic of all of their relationships, their friendships and the relationships with their significant others and their children. If you're someone like Whitney who's super busy and doesn't have the same kind of time to spend with your kids, you know, she has a lot of guilt around that. Yeah. But specifically with Taylor, everyone on that cast seemed to be very concerned about her well-being and her mental state before going into filming that season. Yeah. Like they already knew she was super fragile. Taylor even says, you know, I'm like as stressed out as ever, but you know, I might as well just do it because I'm always gonna be stressed out, basically. Right, right. And that's kind of sad, but she's she's not going in like very well prepared whatsoever. It's also an experience, like how well prepared could you even be to go into something like that? I don't really know. But she's clearly still in such like a tumultuous state with her, the father of her child, one of her children.

SPEAKER_00 6:34

Yeah. For the show, which also she misses her flight and is I watched a little bit more of that finale than you. It's just like all of it leads up to the fact that then she films this season of The Bachelorette, which again we may never see, but like ABC knows all of this. I mean, that's uh Hulu is ABC, so yeah, they're following this whole thing. Uh it almost feels like they should have delayed production or maybe I don't know. She was not the right choice.

SPEAKER_01 7:03

That's the thing that's so frustrating is that ABC has to do background checks. It's not like they didn't know about what happened in 2023. Right. There just wasn't any visual representation of what happened aside from the body cam footage that was aired in that first season of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. But since then, you know, people have reshared the 911 call from the neighbor from that night. And that neighbor is saying, you know, it sounds like a woman is being abused next door. The garage door seems to be opening and closing. She seems to be trapped in there and she's trying to get out. And then the body cam footage, Taylor says that she was so scared that she peed her pants. You know, and I obviously trigger warning for everyone. I'm so sorry. But I watched that video and I I believe women first. That's all that's just kind of my baseline. And I don't think I didn't watch that video and think, oh my god, Taylor's so crazy. I thought, what happened to push her to this point? I've seen enough of Dakota to know that I don't trust that man at all. He's very manipulative. He's probably even scarier than like anything that we have seen. And I don't, I think he was constantly trying to manipulate the timing of everything. You know, Macy says in one of her confessionals during the season that he constantly tries to ruin Taylor's special moments. Yeah. Like they had an issue in New York right before one of their premieres. He causes another issue. He comes to LA and stays in LA at this house and causes more issues. You know, he was probably, he intentionally slept with Taylor, I'm sure, right before she left for The Bachelor. And he's probably playing it to camera, like, oh, you know, maybe I'll show up with a rose, and she really loves me. He to me looks like a textbook narcissist. They try to isolate you from everyone.

SPEAKER_00 9:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:05

All of your friends, all of your family. They will do whatever they can to destroy your trust in them and how you are perceived in their eyes. Therefore, they're the only person that you have. I'm the only one who's ever gonna love you like this. Right. And for anyone who's experienced anything like that, it's really hard to watch. But I'm also grateful that I can recognize certain things now. And I know there are just so many women who are watching what's going down, and it's really frustrating and heartbreaking and triggering and upsetting. It's upsetting for so many people on so many levels. Yeah. I could really go on about this, so please interrupt me now.

SPEAKER_00 9:47

No, I mean, so obviously, we, you know, we had planned on doing a Bachelorette recap episode weekly, and now here we are talking about kind of the secret lives of Mormon Wives, Frankie Taylor Paul, Bachelorette being canceled. I mean, there's a whole bunch going on there. Uh, I'm curious, Kaylee, like if the show does come out, would you watch? I think I know the answer, but tell me what you're looking for when you watch it compared to if you watched it before they canceled it.

SPEAKER_01 10:15

Well, even in our podcast episode last week or the week before, I expressed my concern that ABC was trying to turn someone's trauma into entertainment, and they know what how fragile Taylor was and how volatile Taylor is, too. And you know, I felt like they were exploiting that and taking advantage of her anyway. Sure. I would watch the show with the eye of being like, yeah, this is exactly what they they knew exactly what they were going to. I think them not airing it is also probably protecting themselves.

SPEAKER_00 10:46

It's that's a good point that they have done things in the episodes and in the editing and all that that would make them look uh yeah, complacent or or uh you can see their hand at play. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that's very interesting, or almost like they need to like re-edit it to make them look better.

SPEAKER_01 11:06

And I think I think they've only had the first like three or four episodes fully edited anyway, but that's what I've heard. But I guarantee you wouldn't be able to watch one episode without being like, oh, ABC loved this. And in the quotes from one of the producers, he said that what they liked about her was that like if there are no rules anymore, and she's gonna do whatever she wants to do. And it's like these producers know how to work with that to their advantage.

SPEAKER_00 11:38

Right, and I like that because I thought the show's rules were bad.

SPEAKER_01 11:40

Yeah, which by the way, the Bachelorette audience doesn't like that. They really want something like pure-hearted and boring.

SPEAKER_00 11:48

Yes, I would have loved, yeah, I would have loved to watch someone break the rules of the show as long as they weren't a broken person.

SPEAKER_01 11:55

They don't work.

SPEAKER_00 11:56

Well, right, but as long as they weren't a broken person. And they weren't like broken and that they weren't, you know.

SPEAKER_01 12:01

So like it's like she's going and not a good state.

SPEAKER_00 12:04

Yeah, if she's going and telling people, if she finds some guy and is like, get the hell out of here, that's great. That's what the rules should be. You know, I don't want to give roses out tonight, no one deserves them, why not, right?

SPEAKER_01 12:12

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 12:13

It's different though when it's like someone's breaking down in front of you and they're continuing to be on the show and they're doing things like self-harm or or mentally breaking down, and you're exploiting that, and then you're doing things on top of that exploitive with maybe bringing people on the show. Like you said, could you bring an ex on? Could you put them in a position that was really uncomfortable beyond um like the like some of the things that we laugh about with uh Tyra and uh America's Next Top Model, where it's like, you know, oh my mom and this you know, sad story about something happening to a family member, and then like now you have to be buried in a coffin the next day, and like that kind of stuff, like ABC may have been doing that, yeah. Right audiences would be like, no thanks. Or or that, yeah. Well, okay, well, let's let's uh move on to something else. Okay, and maybe we can come back to that storyline because it's kind of sombre.

SPEAKER_01 13:05

I feel like it's not no, I know it's really dark, and that's but it's unfortunately the reality for millions of people in this country, like every day. So I think what we have learned from the secret lives of Mormon wives is that their lives, and as are most people's are very complex, very challenging, very uh full of highs and lows. And I don't I don't envy any of the Mormon wives right now. Aside from Whitney, Winnie's thriving, love her. Yeah, I would like to be in Chicago, so yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:46

But her her her breakup with Jen was really sad though. I don't know how they are now.

SPEAKER_01 13:51

If oh my god, well, if anyone bothered to actually have a face-to-face friendship breakup with me, that's one thing. But if they sent their husband to do the job for them, that was gross. I wouldn't even, I wouldn't even have it. I would refuse. I am not coming here to argue with a man. Yeah, you don't know. You can't be a representative like of your wife. You don't have no idea, no offense, but the relationships between two women are so deep and complex that like men could just never get it. I'm so sorry. It's just it's no, you're not to apologize.

SPEAKER_00 14:26

Oh, I thought it was it was very cowardly, it's so cowardly, and also it doesn't make it seem like you are in the right. No, oh my god, you can't face that and be like, you know, own whatever you did, whether it was intentional or not. Yeah, then it feels very intentional, then right, which by the way, fine, but admit to it, say yeah, it was intentional, but yeah, I'm jealous of you, I'm jealous of you, or I was feeling down about myself, whatever it is, like right, but when you start doing things like sending your husband to whatever, be an intermediary or whatever, you begin to lose uh the good faith element of like the apology. Like there's no apology now.

SPEAKER_01 15:07

Losing your footing in this argument for sure, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:09

Yeah, uh, and then yeah, seeing the I'm gonna blow it on her name. Is it Taylor in her story about Layla?

SPEAKER_01 15:18

Layla Taylor is the bachelorette who just scribbled.

SPEAKER_00 15:21

Yes, Layla's story with Ford and uh admitting to the girls about how she's doing, I thought was very, you know, important. But one thing that I noticed that when you watch the show with this lens, they don't like hug each other, they don't touch each other, and there's a lot of like isolated like human beings on the show, like they're very rigid, and there's not a lot of like intimacy, yeah, that I notice. And it's like someone needed to like give her a hug, and her friends are just like Miranda did.

SPEAKER_01 15:54

She went over to her okay at one part, it wasn't on camera. They went to they cut to Jesse talking, but Miranda did. Yeah, but there is like this, but yes, there just seems well also when you see Layla just like in a little ball with her little bony knees up by her chest, and she just looks so physically small in that moment. You want nothing but to hug her. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:15

Yeah, I feel I it's really hard, and I I uh this season is way better of an experience to watch people being real and honest about their lives versus just talking about their literally saying mom talk over and over again. I know. Uh, but it is very hard to be authentic and honest when you're going through hard times. And I think they're finding that out, and who knows what that looks like moving forward as a show. Do they actually want to be like that? You know, the Kardashians are very unique in that they were like, you know what, even as we get really, really famous, we're still gonna be pretty damn honest about all the things that are happening in our lives. Uh, I mean, they're the most famous of all of them, but then the housewives have had to be very open. And if they're not open, they don't get recast. What do you think about the show?

SPEAKER_01 17:06

I think the Kardashians have changed their show a bit, they're in much more in control of what the result of it is. Okay, sure. And they actually have more time between the real life event happening and then filming and when it airs. Okay. What has been unique about Secret Lives of Mormon Wives is that it's pretty close to when it actually happens in their real lives. Like they filmed this during Dancing with the Stars, and Dancing with the Stars finished what November of last year.

SPEAKER_00 17:37

So it's like within like what, six months, maybe?

SPEAKER_01 17:39

Yeah, there's they're really kind of in the experience still, and we're seeing kind of almost real-time downfall of a lot of what's going on in their lives, and we will see that. I don't know if they fully paused filming for season five or what's gonna happen. I'm not really sure, but it's gonna feel fresh still. So I think in that way, it's interesting, they don't have as much time to prepare for another season and like get ready for whatever like the social media blowback is gonna be. And they also have a responsibility of their jobs being mostly on their phones, they don't have the option of not being on their phones, yeah, and I think that makes it really, really challenging. I I was thinking about, you know, Layla when she's talking about how all of the body issues and eating disorder issues hit me really deep to the heart. And I think about when you're really struggling, it's so hard in your brain. There's just so much noise and like pressure and friction, and it's just like chaotic. And you you know, for me, if I need a break, I can scroll on social media and totally just like be brainless and it's fine. But for someone like her, she's like, there's almost just no escape because she gets online and it's all these people talking about her thinness, right? And that's oh, it's just so hard that it's not helpful either way. Also, when you are, you know, suffering with your eating disorder and you're seeing comments, it kind of reinforces that what you're doing is right. You're like, oh yeah, they can see that I'm thin. That was really and it it's it's just the truth. But eventually, like I got to a point where someone said something to me in college, like, oh, I wish I was as skinny as you. And I started being like, No, you don't, you don't, like, you don't wish because it's hell inside, and it is painful to sleep, and all of those things that she's talking about. And I that that's what makes me like worried about this cast of women as a whole, because there's just no time for them to recoup whatsoever. So I do think it is different from like the Kardashians and stuff. The Kardashians are pretty edited at this point. You know, they'll show some emotional stuff, but not like the early days.

SPEAKER_00 20:15

Well, thank you for sharing. Of course. I love you.

SPEAKER_01 20:18

I love you.

SPEAKER_00 20:18

And I'm sure it's uh much better to see uh someone going through something like that from your perspective now, but then you know, when you were younger, maybe you would look at her and see her as almost like an inspiration in some ways.

SPEAKER_01 20:34

That's so true.

SPEAKER_00 20:35

Yeah, uh but uh you know, I think for me, seeing her talk about that stuff was really heavy as well, and really hard to watch a young, beautiful woman who also was admitting that when she was pregnant, it helped her a lot, which is like kind of crazy to think about that. And also, like, well, how old is I mean, she's like a baby, and she just had you know, it's like how old was she when she had a baby?

SPEAKER_01 21:00

18.

SPEAKER_00 21:01

It's just wild, yeah. And and so it's just um it's really hard. And I'm really happy that she talked about it because I feel like sometimes if you when when you finally do talk about it like that, that means you were kind of ready for help.

SPEAKER_01 21:12

Yes. It's like and that's that's the truth. Once you are able to acknowledge it and talk about it with your closest friends, then it's like the really good signs of like uh that readiness for change on that scale. And so, you know, she's posted since then um about how help how much healthier she is now, and I'm very happy for her, but it's also still really difficult. It's also so hard when you do start to gain weight. It's like you know it's for the best, but it that also comes with a whole slew of mental complications too, and physical. Um but this is this is actually a lighthearted moment, but I I've been seeing this um meme. That's like a picture of the cast, and it's like none of this would have happened if these girls were in the clubs in their 20s, which is so true. I'm like, everyone just like this is this is why the show is so interesting. This is what happens to a group of women when they're super young, they don't get to have their own experiences, but they have babies pretty young, and they're within a religious system that keeps them under the thumb of men for the most part.

SPEAKER_00 22:30

And the one thing they have is their looks as like a way to like excel per se. Other than being a mom and being a good Mormon, it's like how you look. Otherwise, there's nothing else really that is pushed by that group that you can be successful with.

SPEAKER_01 22:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:46

So it's like that looks maxine literally is like super important. And they bring it up over and over again how important it is to look good in that culture. Uh and there's lots of cultures like that, by the way.

SPEAKER_01 22:57

And Jessie was like self-conscious about showing up to the spa day in like leggings and like a sweatshirt or whatever. It's like she was like, Oh, I'm so glad you guys weren't like super dressed up. It's like, you're going to a spa. What? Yeah. That's wild. That's just a tiny example, but yeah. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 23:17

Well, speaking of someone who is not self-conscious about their body.

unknown 23:20

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 23:21

Should we talk about Danny? Our new favorite nudist?

SPEAKER_01 23:25

Our icon. Is his name Danny?

SPEAKER_00 23:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:28

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_00 23:29

I wasn't sure if it was so if you guys have been following along, we have been talking very little but enough about the show Neighbors on HBO. It's an A24 of Doc series, and it is absolutely fantastic. It is ridiculous. It is America at its most America. Lots of Florida, because Florida is a unique state that has its own thing. There's a reason why there's Florida man. I mean, Florida Man is a thing, and this was a lot of Florida man, to be fair. Uh, but we got to the finale, which was way too soon. But episode six is about a gentleman by the name of Danny, who is a uh a person who loves to work out, let's say that, and and loves the sun.

SPEAKER_01 24:13

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 24:13

And is not afraid of showing off his body to gain sunlight on said body, but also doesn't like to wear a lot of clothes when he does his exercising.

SPEAKER_01 24:23

And unfortunately for him and his neighborhood, the most sun and the Catholic church across the street from the other.

SPEAKER_00 24:32

The most sun is when he opens up his garage door or is outside in his front yard, basically. That's where the sun really hits the best. Yeah. And he's out there in his little speedo, uh, and he's biking hardcore. Like he's an inspiration.

SPEAKER_01 24:47

Damn. He's like a triathlete.

SPEAKER_00 24:49

He really is. And his neighbors are not too keen on his body. Kaylee, what was your first impression of Danny when you first saw him?

SPEAKER_01 24:56

Incredible. Stunning. Um, well, what does he look like?

SPEAKER_00 25:01

Tell the audience what he looks like. Give us a good idea.

SPEAKER_01 25:03

75-year-old man, he's in excellent shape. He wears, he has long white hair that goes down not a lot up in the front, but it goes down the back of his head. And he likes to wear a yellow thong bottom. Yeah. And when he's standing, you really can see a lot of the crotch area, like the surrounding leg crotch area. It's everything but his penis for the most part. And you know, he's on his bike. I don't, I really don't think I would care, but I also have a mentality of like, I just try not to let things annoy me from the very first time because then it's probably not gonna happen. But if I let it annoy me, it will annoy me.

SPEAKER_00 25:46

Well, you're body positive.

SPEAKER_01 25:47

I'm also very body positive. I also think like he's not gonna be out there all day. Also, who is great stamina? I don't know. He does have incredibly at this point. I was thinking, you know, sometimes I think, God, I wish I could work out and get sun at the same time. But I'm such like a black cat Scorpio that I would not want my neighbors to be watching me work out. Right.

SPEAKER_00 26:10

You hate that.

SPEAKER_01 26:10

I hate that. So I would do it in the backyard if my backyard got sun.

unknown 26:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:15

That could be a solution for him, but I don't know if his backyard gets the sun that he likes.

SPEAKER_00 26:18

Well, it surely did not because, well, one of the best things about him is that he first of all drops a lot of F bombs, which I love about Danny. But the thing that was so funny, he's like, we're talking about five fucking inches of skin. That's it. Because he's basically like showing on his body, like if he was wearing like a five-inch in-seam short, no one would care. But because he's wearing this little thong thing, people care. He's like five fucking inches of skin.

SPEAKER_01 26:43

Are we so philistine? What does he say? Philistine? What does he say? Yeah, he also accuses someone of uh emerging from his mother's vagina in a dwardian suit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:54

So Dan does what most the most logical thing, which is not, you know, cover up or find, again, a backyard location to work out. Maybe he doesn't have a long enough uh extension cord for his Peloton.

SPEAKER_01 27:08

He likes the fight now.

SPEAKER_00 27:10

He likes the fight. He decides to pack up and go to Florida for an undisclosed amount of time. Maybe it's like a 10-day trip just to see what it's like. But he goes to this uh RV nudist colony called Eden. Is this is this called Eden?

SPEAKER_01 27:24

Eden or Haven or something like that. Eden Haven or Haven?

SPEAKER_00 27:27

Eden, something the RV of Eden. Anyway, he gets to be fully nude there. So then as an audience member, we are now fully nude.

SPEAKER_01 27:36

See a lot of older bodies nude. Yeah, lots of low-hanging balls.

SPEAKER_00 27:42

Lots of very confident elderly people who are too tan for their own.

SPEAKER_01 27:49

I was mostly worried about their sun exposure.

SPEAKER_00 27:51

The sun exposure is not good.

SPEAKER_01 27:54

A lot of red bodies, a lot of red bodies, a lot of brown spots, lots of. You know, I'm not used to seeing a fully tan breast, so that was pretty interesting for me.

SPEAKER_00 28:04

Not a lot of tan lines, we're trying to say.

SPEAKER_01 28:06

Not a lot of tan lines whatsoever.

SPEAKER_00 28:08

No, no.

SPEAKER_01 28:08

I really envy people who are comfortable walking around naked. I I really can't imagine.

SPEAKER_00 28:16

Well, Danny, Danny could imagine.

SPEAKER_01 28:18

I can imagine because I watched it. Yeah. But I can't imagine experiencing it myself.

SPEAKER_00 28:23

Yeah. Well, Danny, Danny's so excited to be there because he gets to feel, I would say, normal or accepted.

SPEAKER_01 28:30

And everyone's nice to him. Like everyone's so nice. So nice, and he's so happy.

SPEAKER_00 28:36

Like genuinely, he has found his, like, he's so combative when people are. Because I think this is this is something that's really important to him. Yeah, he is a true nudist. Like, he actually does pretty much want to be naked.

SPEAKER_01 28:47

Oh, he also has an OnlyFans and he loves his little massager.

SPEAKER_00 28:51

Oh my god. I forgot about that.

SPEAKER_01 28:54

Oh no. It is stuck in my brain, I think, about him with the little massager taking it down as little. You guys, he put it stuck in my head every day. Is it really? Yes. And the crew going, thank you for showing us that, Danny.

SPEAKER_00 29:08

Was it the crew or someone on OnlyFans? I don't know who that was. Oh my god, you guys, he shows the okay, yes.

SPEAKER_01 29:15

You gotta you have to watch.

SPEAKER_00 29:16

Danny is just so special. This isn't none of this is a spoiler, by the way, because it's just that spectacular of 35 minutes or whatever the show is.

SPEAKER_01 29:23

We could give you a a blow-by-blow account of what happens in this episode, and it won't measure up to watching the episode.

SPEAKER_00 29:30

Yeah, he's just that spectacular of a character. Uh, and of course he falls for just like everyone does. Danny's no different, falls for the wrong person.

SPEAKER_01 29:39

Because he's 75 and still hoping one. Oh, 71 and still hoping to have a child.

SPEAKER_00 29:45

Yes, because he wants to have a legacy for his family, right? And then he says, uh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:49

Something like that?

SPEAKER_00 29:49

Like his mom said something about. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 29:51

There's some there will be no other people uh with his family name after him.

SPEAKER_00 29:57

You guys, this man is fascinating. So he also runs for city council or something. Yes, he also ran for city council. Um I don't know if he won or not. You guys, this man is just one of one in a billion.

SPEAKER_01 30:13

Kind of a national treasure in a way.

SPEAKER_00 30:16

I I told my dad to watch the finale, just to like skip to the finale. Yeah, and so he watched it and he loved it. He goes, he goes, Zach, they gotta make a whole show about this guy. I said, they did. They did. This is all you have a movie about it. Yeah, you have this not gonna change. This is a short form doc. This is it, it will never get better than this.

SPEAKER_01 30:34

Oh, also, wasn't he known as like Mr. Million Mile or something? He found running at one point in his life after having like a health issue and ran over like a million miles.

SPEAKER_00 30:43

Yeah, he's running like thousands of 5K's and 10ks. And as a new runner, I get it. He runs. Oh my god, he almost got in a fight with that guy on the beach. So people will like say crude comments to him, like that's the one he said he oh, you came out of your mother's put your clothes on, and he like doesn't take that, like he goes up to you and is like fuck you, it's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 31:06

Like right up to them into their faces. Oh, and then there was like a golf cart of women, and he tried to say that he was he was like Dr. Martin Luther King.

SPEAKER_00 31:18

Oh no, he tried to convince the security guards, I think. Were they security? No, no, there's women just hanging out that he was like MLK, his his mission to be nude and all that is like the same as MLK's like dream. But but to Danny, it is his dream. Like I get that, to live a life that he gets to be the most free.

SPEAKER_01 31:39

I do I mean he should have literally moved to the south of France, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:42

Or he's just moved to Florida anyway.

SPEAKER_01 31:44

Oh my god, he could live, he would thrive in Cannes or Nice. They have an abundant running and cycling community, and you can be nude. Yeah, they don't care, yeah. Uh, it's America.

SPEAKER_00 31:58

Well, the RV park, he loved it, but he wants to be with young women, which is not gonna happen, Danny.

SPEAKER_01 32:03

Anyway, we can't say enough about the show.

SPEAKER_00 32:05

You guys just watch it, it's spectacular.

SPEAKER_01 32:07

You do not need to watch the rest of the season to appreciate this episode, by the way.

SPEAKER_00 32:11

Yeah, but I would say watch all of them, they're fantastic.

SPEAKER_01 32:13

Yeah, but it it did finish with the very best episode. Oh my god. The first and the last were the best.

SPEAKER_00 32:18

Yes, it's truly one of the greatest TV series of all time. Like it's it absolutely well, yeah, as far as like a groundbreaking envelope. I didn't think we had that left in us to push the envelope on a show after Tiger King. Well, but seriously, shows like Tiger King and Making a Murderer, like some of these shows Mother God, like you go, okay, these are spectacular, and you just don't know when that next one can happen because it's hard.

SPEAKER_01 32:43

How many more people like that can exist? Well, apparently.

SPEAKER_00 32:46

Well, quite a few. Yep.

SPEAKER_01 32:48

And thank God.

SPEAKER_00 32:49

America is the gift that keeps on giving. And you don't want the gifts. Often you don't want the gift.

SPEAKER_01 32:55

I don't want it to like personally affect me or my life, but I don't mind watching the gift.

SPEAKER_00 33:00

Yeah. It's rough. Okay, so I was gonna then actually transition from that to Billy and Molly.

SPEAKER_01 33:09

Oh, I was not prepared to talk about this today. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 33:14

So we've been trying to watch a lot of shows to catch up on stuff because we have all these reality shows, and when Kaylee was gone and we were in Palm Springs, we just get behind and we're still behind. So we're just you know.

SPEAKER_01 33:23

Ladies of London is next on my list. We haven't even watched Ladies of London.

SPEAKER_00 33:26

I know, and I'm gonna love it. And one of your favorites, Tinks. Tinks loves it. So I know she loves it, and so I know you're gonna love it. But um, I was looking for something really just kind of chill to watch. Um, and I love Disney stuff because it's often just very beautiful and very heartwarming. And so there's this documentary called Billy and Molly. Is that what it's called? And it's about a river otter and this man that kind of takes it in to bring it back to I mean it's not really dead, but like to like help it. Yeah, it like has a lot. We think it has lost its mom to whatever, a storm or health. Very Disney, right? Mom dies. Of course, of course. Um, and then a white man has to say that this older couple, let's call them older, mature couple, they don't have middle-aged, middle-aged, they don't have children of them of their own. And this little river otter comes at this moment in their lives that's really impactful, especially for this man.

SPEAKER_01 34:26

So Zach puts this on after we watch like three straight hours of reality TV. He puts this on, I'm like, I don't even want to watch this. It's like Nat Geo, whatever. Puts it on, I'm in it. I am locked in. This otter is the cutest thing I've ever seen. The river otter really reminds me of Dolly. So, as most animals do now. So I'm locked in. And then Zach falls asleep.

SPEAKER_00 34:52

I fall asleep like right after all the good stuff happens. Like it's all happy, go love.

SPEAKER_01 34:56

So there's the emotional turn, and it's me just crying for 40 minutes for the rest of it. And Zach is just in the deepest slumber on the couch next to me. Dolly's asleep. I'm just sitting there crying. At one point, I'm crying so loud, and I think I'm gonna wake you up, and you're just out, out cold. I'm like heaving at one point.

SPEAKER_00 35:20

Yeah, and then I wake up to you crying and mad at me. You're like, why would you do it? Like, I'm literally like, I didn't even want to watch it, I don't even watch this. I'm like, what happened? What's going on?

SPEAKER_01 35:33

It was so beautiful. It was just so beautiful.

SPEAKER_00 35:36

So then we go to bed, and then the morning, I get up in the morning, and I'm like, okay, I have to watch the rest of this because obviously I have to be able to experience with Kaylee. And so I go find the spot where I know I stopped watching, and literally from that moment, it's almost like instant tears for the rest of the freaking thing. So like I literally fell asleep right at like the crescendo of like, and everything's gonna be okay, and then boom, just depression.

SPEAKER_01 35:59

Yep, just depression, but it's so beautiful and it's fun for the whole family. Yeah, everyone can watch. And you know, I really can't recommend it enough. Uh, maybe if you're pre-menstrual and you need a good cry, definitely watch it or hold off a week because whoo! I was puffy the next morning from crying so much.

SPEAKER_00 36:24

I had a headache. I don't know. It was crazy. It was really good.

SPEAKER_01 36:26

I haven't cried that hard since that episode of um not this is us.

SPEAKER_00 36:32

Oh, yeah, the last of us.

SPEAKER_01 36:33

The last of us.

SPEAKER_00 36:34

God, that was horrifying. You were a mess. I didn't think you were gonna recover ever. I thought I'd have to take you just to like some home and just put you there and be like drug her.

SPEAKER_01 36:44

She will not stop crying. It destroyed me. It was very similar, actually.

SPEAKER_00 36:52

Yeah. Oh my god, I'll never forget that.

SPEAKER_01 36:54

That was uh I should do a list of like the top five episodes of TV that have made me sob my eyes out. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:02

I think we should that'd be great.

SPEAKER_01 37:03

Oh no, this light is flashing. Does that mean it's gonna end? Oh, it is, it's getting hot. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 37:06

Let's do it, let's do a uh sip on this. Okay, you go first. Sip on this.

SPEAKER_01 37:10

Okay, so um Cutie, what are you sipping on this week?

SPEAKER_00 37:13

Yeah, sip on this. Jeez, okay. I'm not quite prepared um for our sip on this because this week has been very interesting. But I'm going to sip on the container store.

SPEAKER_01 37:27

Oh, tell me more. Do go on.

SPEAKER_00 37:29

I've never been to the container store really in my life, except for like the last couple of years where we've gone. And I didn't know it really existed or what it was. I knew it ex I knew at like the grove it was there, but I'm always like, who goes to that conversation? Gizmos and gadgets are plenty. Go to the container store. And let me tell you, I was impressed. I was impressed by it. It's got I now want things from there. Like I want little plastic, little containers to put things in. Like, is that like a thing that happens to you when you go to a container store? You get obsessed with the little plastic ones and the big ones and the medium ones and putting things and things.

SPEAKER_01 38:02

Yes, but here's the thing about you you actually love when things are organized.

SPEAKER_00 38:07

I do.

SPEAKER_01 38:08

As long as they're set up clean and new and organized, you respect that. But if you don't have that, then there's no no, there's just no guarantee that anything will go anywhere. But once it's in place, you love that. So for you to see that stuff is go, oh my god, everything could have a little home. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:26

Well, that's very kidding. I do the craziest things. Like, I'll be like, I'll take a napkin and like, or a paper towel and clean something that just leave while friends are like over. And then I'll also like tear a bag and leave the top on the counter. Cause like it's like that's too much work to take this top and put it back in the garbage can, but then I'll just like I think your brain has just moved on, right?

SPEAKER_01 38:47

Like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 38:48

I just I also think it's funny in my mind. I'm like, what am I doing? I'm like, ah, whatever. Like, I just don't, it's just weird. I know. I don't know what that is. A D D maybe it's something where it's like, I can't do that.

SPEAKER_01 38:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:00

It's very odd. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 39:01

But when the systems are in place, you respect the systems. Absolutely. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:04

Angel, what are you sipping on? Do you have one?

SPEAKER_01 39:07

I'm sipping on running. Oh. I throughout my life, I go through seasons of running. I where I'm like, okay, I want to become a runner. I'm gonna get into it. And then I stop and I massively fall off. I have picked it up very slowly this year. I was doing maybe one run a week or one run every other week just to see how it was going. And then my friend Kaylee encouraged me. She was like, actually, when you're first starting to run, it's good to just do like no more than two a week because you don't want to like injure yourself. And then Becca came to visit, and Becca is training for a half marathon, and so I did a couple runs with her. And what the unlock for me with running with Becca was like, oh, pacing yourself.

SPEAKER_00 39:54

Sure.

SPEAKER_01 39:54

That's a thing. You don't have to go as fast and as hard as possible. And in fact, you shouldn't.

SPEAKER_00 40:01

Especially if you're trying to get distance, that's obviously a huge key.

SPEAKER_01 40:05

I just I only did one season of track in high school, or was it junior junior high? And I was a sprinter, so like I just had no idea. And I got shin spints shin splints immediately. Oh god. So, and that's usually my tendency. But anyway, yeah, I have since downloaded the Run U app and I currently am on like their 10K training program.

SPEAKER_00 40:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:28

And I just completed my first week, and my second week starts tomorrow.

SPEAKER_00 40:33

Amazing.

SPEAKER_01 40:34

And I've had like two days off of running. And yesterday I was walking and I was like kind of jealous of people who are running. Did you miss it? I did, and I do. I'm like two days off seems like too much.

SPEAKER_00 40:45

It's pretty amazing that you can just get a workout in by running. Like, hey, I'm a symbol. That's the thing that's so mind-blowing to me. It's so easy.

SPEAKER_01 40:52

It's just really, it's all starting to click, I think, more than it ever has for me, ever before. Where I'm like, it just feels nice to be out there. I feel like I feel like our good friend Danny. I'm out there. Yeah. I'm experiencing the sunlight. I'm looking at the beautiful ocean and the beach and the marina and all of the other runners. And I'm like, oh my god, they're not looking at me like I'm a fraud, because I've always felt like a fraud if I was trying to run. Yeah. And I'm like, no, like you know, I am a runner too. And so I'm fully getting into it. And it's just so fun. And I'm not injured yet, which is good.

SPEAKER_00 41:30

Oh, I love that. And two things about that I want to say really fast. One is we live in a great place to run.

SPEAKER_01 41:36

Oh my God, we totally do.

SPEAKER_00 41:38

And when you see runners run by you, usually they look great, like their bodies are in great shape. I'm like, I guess if I run like this, I could also be in great shape.

SPEAKER_01 41:46

I too could look like that. Yeah, you ever want to feel good about yourself? Drive home after eating a pasta dinner on a Wednesday night at Felix and watch the Venice Run Club run by you on Abbott Kinney. Everyone's shirtless or in a sports bronze. And 20. And they all have abs. Yeah. Everyone has a six-pack. I don't know how that's possible. I'm still trying for my two abs.

SPEAKER_00 42:09

Your abs are there. We'll do a big reveal in a couple weeks. A big ab reveal. You guys, thank you so much for listening. We love you all so much. This has been a great episode. Thank you for sharing personal things. I know it's not easy, so I love you. Thank you so much for that. Okay. And uh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:29

Yeah. Love you guys.

SPEAKER_00 42:31

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